BLM/WHM or BLM/RDM?

[Olorin401]

Re: BLM/WHM or BLM/RDM?

Who are these clowns who think BLM/RDM is so much better? In a merit party manaburn, yes, BLM/RDM is better, but not so much better that anyone could or should care.

We're called Elvaan, and we do care because we have an Intelligence trait somewhere between head cheese and a toaster oven.

[Icemage]

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We're called Elvaan, and we do care because we have an Intelligence trait somewhere between head cheese and a toaster oven.

Bah. Who cares about INT at level 75? Get some MATK and Elemental skill gear and go to town. As long as you nuke consistently, a bit of extra damage here or there doesn't make a lick of difference.

P.S. RDM + BLM can duo very, very effectively in Mount Zhayolm on puddings.


Icemage

[Bubers]

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[Kirsteena]

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We're called Elvaan, and we do care because we have an Intelligence trait somewhere between head cheese and a toaster oven.

I tend to die ahead of most of the other races blm in my ls...

[Olorin401]

Re: BLM/WHM or BLM/RDM?

Bah. Who cares about INT at level 75? Get some MATK and Elemental skill gear and go to town. As long as you nuke consistently, a bit of extra damage here or there doesn't make a lick of difference.
P.S. RDM + BLM can duo very, very effectively in Mount Zhayolm on puddings.
Icemage

Man I absolutely love that camp. Usually I'm there with my five Dynamis BLM buddies because we all need to rework our buffers.
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I tend to die ahead of most of the other races blm in my ls...

Heh.. I do that a lot too, cuz I have a big head about Elvaans being tougher than the other races.

[TheGrandMom]

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If you only have the time to level up one sub job for your blm then go with whm. It is far more versatile than /rdm for all around party/alliance needs. While I prefer /rdm at my ls events, I usually end up having to come /whm. You also have to base it on the quality of the other members in your ally/party and/or what the mobs status attacks. Sometimes the more people with paralyna the better. LOL

If you are going to join an endgame shell though, make sure you have both rdm and whm subs. You will be much more of a benefit to your shell if you do.

[Icemage]

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^ more to the point, most good endgame LS will not even accept your application if you haven't paid sufficient attention to your subjobs.


Icemage

[Pteryx]

Re: BLM/WHM or BLM/RDM?

RDM COR BLM BLM BLM BLM. Manaburn configuration. Screw the hopeless traditional XP parties.

We try, sometimes. Trouble is, quite a few manaburners insist on five BLMs and one refresher. On top of this, many of them don't quite understand that RDM is not well-suited to be a single refresher for a five-BLM manaburn.

Is it any wonder that we usually just duo instead?

P.S. RDM + BLM can duo very, very effectively in Mount Zhayolm on puddings.

Thanks, but on Midgard that place is kinda overcamped. We tend to prefer the strangely undercamped Alzadaal if we're playing it safe or feeling lazy/unambitious or need Standing, or else Uleguerand Range if we're feeling daring (the Signet changes mean we get awesome XP there). -- Pteryx

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: BLM/WHM or BLM/RDM?

On top of this, many of them don't quite understand that RDM is not well-suited to be a single refresher for a five-BLM manaburn.

Never done manaburn before; why would RDM be unsuited? (Granted, COR or BRD seem easier, but I don't see why RDM would be an ill fit.)

[Olorin401]

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Never done manaburn before; why would RDM be unsuited? (Granted, COR or BRD seem easier, but I don't see why RDM would be an ill fit.)

To be honest you don't need a refresher at all - they just make things a bit quicker when you're resting. If you have a party of 5 or 6 you can easily get consistent Chain 11s, occasionally getting 12-14.

[Pteryx]

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Never done manaburn before; why would RDM be unsuited? (Granted, COR or BRD seem easier, but I don't see why RDM would be an ill fit.)

It's not so much RDM being an ill fit to manaburn at all so much as being an ill fit as the single refresher for six MP pools while still being expected to pull and main heal. To refresh six people, we have to perpetually sit still and not get busy doing anything else (like panic healing the group when someone misclicks) or the cycle will have hiccups and people will go without for a while. The lack of a Refreshga hurts in five-BLM-one-refresher manaburn.

My friend and I once unceremoniously dropped a party of the above description when I was told to stop refreshing so I could pull better. *twitch*

RDM does, however, work fine in the four-BLM-two-Refresher setup. Ideally you want a COR as the other refresher for Wizard's Roll and stacking Refresh, but a second RDM will do in a pinch -- at least then you're splitting the burdens and not having unreasonable things expected of you. The trouble is finding BLMs willing to entertain the notion of a manaburn with less... well, burn. -- Pteryx

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I just want to add, in the manaburn situation at least one BLM should /WHM so if you guys start dying, we don't all have to HP and run back to camp. So long as one BLM has /WHM and Reraise at 66+, all is good.

[Spinnthrift]

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Blm/Rdm vs Blmw/Whm.. both have their uses.

So far - I'd use things like Blm/Whm for 60 cap events, like BCNM's, where you get the early access to stoneskin, and for Salvage, /Whm is a lot stronger - as you will need to backup heal in that.

HNM's/Meriting/Solo'ing/general - unless /Whm is needed for a specific scenario, /Rdm is the best choice. Phalanx > Reraise and ~na spells. You can use RR equipment, you should be carrying antidotes/echo drops/poison pots etc for the situations - and other than slow (which can be dealt with by your party refresher in the case of HNM's and having a healer in your merit party).

As for manaburn camping - 6x Blm/Rdm is the fastest and most efficient exp for manaburning (as we'd tested finding we peaked at ~15k/hour with that setup, getting only ~12k/hour with a Cor or other refreshers - currently, don't know if Scholar will be a better/worse sj at this point in writing). There should be minimal healing from cures needed at best, and if you're worried about dying, use a RR earring. The party setup we used was reasonably good, couple of Novio Earring Blm's, straight HQ staves and mostly merited. In a decent party, you'll make back the cost of a charge on an earring within the first hour - i.e. a couple of stacks of water crystals or fire crystals.

Only place I'm not sure about, and tend to switch between a lot is Dynamis. /Whm is for Xarca when you get that evil AoE slow, but /Rdm definately offers more poke and survivability. Thinking about it, I'll probably take /Rdm for Cities + Beaucedine and /Whm for Xarca/DL for a while.

[Yellow Mage]

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/SCH should be the cool thing in a couple of weeks, tops.

[Icemage]

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It's not so much RDM being an ill fit to manaburn at all so much as being an ill fit as the single refresher for six MP pools while still being expected to pull and main heal. To refresh six people, we have to perpetually sit still and not get busy doing anything else (like panic healing the group when someone misclicks) or the cycle will have hiccups and people will go without for a while. The lack of a Refreshga hurts in five-BLM-one-refresher manaburn.

My friend and I once unceremoniously dropped a party of the above description when I was told to stop refreshing so I could pull better. *twitch*

RDM does, however, work fine in the four-BLM-two-Refresher setup. Ideally you want a COR as the other refresher for Wizard's Roll and stacking Refresh, but a second RDM will do in a pinch -- at least then you're splitting the burdens and not having unreasonable things expected of you. The trouble is finding BLMs willing to entertain the notion of a manaburn with less... well, burn. -- Pteryx

I'll grudgingly do BLMx5 RDM manaburn on RDM, but I'm one of the few RDMs I know who can handle anchoring manaburn as RDM/BRD. Ballad I is like casting 2 Refresh at the same time for 0 MP, and as Tarutaru, I don't need the extra MP from /mage to support my Convert ratio.

Unless you have a Tarutaru RDM/BRD who knows what they're doing though, don't use BLMx5 RDM as your setup, as it will seriously suck due to insufficient MP flow.


Icemage