When does the manaburning fun start?

[Raydeus]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

Manaburn is one of the main reasons I'm going to lvl BRD starting next year, I have a really good friend (BLM) so I wanna have some nice Manaburn fun together.

Duoing as RDM+BLM is really fun too but sadly I rarely get to do that.


PS > I've been in great Manaburns as RDM, the only thing I regreted was not having BRD sub leveled, but other than that it was really fun and not that different (workload-wise) from what I get to do in a TP burn except that I also have to pull.

[Icemage]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

The problem with RDM/BRD in manaburn is that Ballad takes several seconds to cast, and you lose a healthy chunk of MP (depends on race, but ~100MP at 75). Under normal circumstances, this isn't an issue but for manaburn parties on RDM, you're so dependent on Convert that losing that extra MP really hurts even with Ballad to make up some of the shortfall.

I find myself hard-pressed to do manaburns as RDM/BRD even as a Tarutaru, and I seem to recall tdh is Elvaan, which makes things even more tough due to lower Convert efficiency.


Icemage

[Jei]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

hmm i actually quite like to use rdm/brd for mana burn ^^ Assuming there's no other refresher. My role of course is to be refresh ballad whore and nothing else.

If there's a brd, you don't really need Rdm. Just 1 brd 5 blm will do a lot better imo :D

[Icemage]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

hmm i actually quite like to use rdm/brd for mana burn ^^ Assuming there's no other refresher. My role of course is to be refresh ballad whore and nothing else.

Oh, don't get me wrong, it's totally doable as Tarutaru RDM/BRD with decent gear for Convert. But given a choice (since I have both jobs at 75), I much prefer BRD over RDM simply because it's much less tedious. Pulling + 6 Refresh + Blink/Stoneskin + Ballad + Sleep/Bind on pulls + emergency cures is a ton of work. I get a lot more time to think about what I'm doing while playing BRD.

If there's a brd, you don't really need Rdm. Just 1 brd 5 blm will do a lot better imo :D

Agreed, though these days at level 75 you only ever need BLMx4 if they all have at least one Ancient II, so things like COR/NIN + RDM or BRD + BLMx4 works at 75.


Icemage

[Neomage]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

At this point I am way beyond wantng to have fun in a party, so much as just getting level 70 so I can do stuff with my friends. I've been stuck in the 65-70 range for a year now and at beat any normal party I get I seem to be gimping the whole party with debuff -> nuke -> cure -> rest while I see a warrior constanly putting out huge numbers... Even the most boring party ion the world would do as long as I can actually hit 70 and start doing things again... Diabolos fight? you need 71. What about ZM5? Sorry, but we only want 75s so we can do this as quick as possible. CoP 5-2? Not unless you can stay in the static untill Apoclypse Neigh. Everywhere I go my just below level is holding me up, and I try and try and can't get out of this rut!

[Icemage]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

Only thing you can do is make friends with other BLMs and try to form your own manaburns when possible. Accept those occasional PT invites - I agree you're going to feel a bit like a gimp because the WARs are dishing out disgusting numbers.

I doubt it makes you feel any better now, but I see the Nerf stick aimed squarely at WAR in the near future.


Icemage

[Caspian]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

Who the hell is telling you that you can't do ZM5 at 68? Trio'd most of the ZM5 fights, and did a couple with 4. Two of which were 75's (whm and rdm), and then me and our nin friend (both 68) destroyed all the fights. You are more than useful at that level. Seriously though, who is telling you you can't?
Other than that, Icemage pretty much nailed it. Only other thing I might suggest is just soloing what you can while you lfp and try to build parties. Its boring, its monotonous, but it'll help make a difference.

[Jei]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

don't nerf my war D:

[Icemage]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

don't nerf my war D:

Come on, Jei. You know it's coming. Every time I see a merit PT forming, what's the first job everyone looks for? WAR.

It's just like the RNG craze a while back, only now people aren't spending 100 billion gil on ammo anymore.


Icemage

[Caspian]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

Nope, now RNG's are spending 100m+ for KC's for burn parties.
Really just want to start doing ammo burns again.
And, Ridill WAR's are just sick.

[nanatsu]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

I'm a noob. What's a KC?

[Neomage]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

Kraken Club. Most expencive weapon in the game, but no-where useful as it's cost. Some even say that it gimps a party if someone has one because it gives the monster extra TP.

Rangers use it because the mob dies so fast anyway, the extra TP don't matter, but it also gives them extra TP for RNG WS.

[Caspian]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

Also highly deadly in the hands of a DRK, especially with Souleater and Bloodweapon up. You want to zerg an HNM, its one of the most effective ways to do it.
Anyway, getting offtopic. Goodluck Onion.

[Mog]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

I'm trying to figure out how this conversation switched over to kraken club, but I'm gonna stay on topic.

At this point I am way beyond wantng to have fun in a party, so much as just getting level 70 so I can do stuff with my friends. I've been stuck in the 65-70 range for a year now and at beat any normal party I get I seem to be gimping the whole party with debuff -> nuke -> cure -> rest while I see a warrior constanly putting out huge numbers... Even the most boring party ion the world would do as long as I can actually hit 70 and start doing things again... Diabolos fight? you need 71. What about ZM5? Sorry, but we only want 75s so we can do this as quick as possible. CoP 5-2? Not unless you can stay in the static untill Apoclypse Neigh. Everywhere I go my just below level is holding me up, and I try and try and can't get out of this rut!

{Um...}

You can do plenty of stuff at level 68. I don't know where you get the idea where you should be level 75 to do ZM5. I staticed with my ls and I was only 65 at the time I got sky. As far as CoP 5-2..... you can do that at that level. Truthfully, there really isn't anything holding you at 68, as you can do the majority of endgame stuff at that level.

[Neomage]

Re: When does the manaburning fun start?

I know I CAN do the stuff, it's just people don't want me for whatever reason.
I was told by 3 people that ZM5 is quickest with 4 75s, and I asked if I could just tag along with the 4 and they siad I would slow them down?!? As for Promyvion 5-2, I know the cap is 50(I did everyhting but the megabosses actually) but no-one wants to do it wiht me unless I form a static...