Bcnm40?

[Andvari]

ok I'm looking to make some extra gilz to fund such things as weskit and AM.. Anybody suggest a good BCNM40 to participate in as BLM.. Since the Nerf or "Impossible to Gauge adjustment" The Worms Turn manaburn is now just about impossible.. it's do-able but VERY hard.

[Sabaron]

Re: Bcnm40?

Under Observation is nice, and allows for very flexible party configuration. A 5% drop rate on Peacock Charm is where the money's at.

[Neomage]

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I've been looking at that one to. True, the 5% droprate sucks, but look at it this way:

On Midgardsormr, PC sells for 20.5 mil. Erase sells for 800k, and Ni for 1.2 mil. You would have to get Ni + Erase ~10 times to = one drop of PC, which equals to roughly the same equasion.

[Sabaron]

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I've actually been looking more at BCNM50, Treasure & Tribulations.

The drops are quite awesome with several top-notch scrolls and some very nice rings including Astral. It's only one mob, a mimic, and you can use 6 characters against it. With a well-rounded 6 player party I doubt that 1 mimic would be able to prevail. A single thief picking chests might have trouble with a chest mimic, but there have also been reports of thieves (usually higher level than the chest mimic) who have beaten them solo. Plus, there's a 33% chance that you'll get the drop for free. So of the 6 orbs you bring, 2 will require no work at all!

[Neomage]

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T&T sucks. You normally get one drop from it, one of the main items(JSE rings, Ateral Ring, AM scrolls) and very rarely, around 1/10th of the time, a secondary item(Plat. Ore, Pet. log, etc.) Asteral Ring, the best drop, loads 1/3rd of the time, the same with the level 20-cap BCNMs.

Personally, I would rather do 40s for Ni or PC/Emp/Erase or w/e, or 60s for JSE gloves, then 50 as an actual BCNM

[Murphie]

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I did several T&T runs recently, and I wasn't impressed. I got a few really great drops, but more often than not I got a mimic. The Seal to Gil ratio was pretty low.

[Haggai]

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I did Under Observation before the magic / NM update. Its was pretty easy just burning it with 3x BLM. I don't know what it is like now.

[Sabaron]

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I did several T&T runs recently, and I wasn't impressed. I got a few really great drops, but more often than not I got a mimic. The Seal to Gil ratio was pretty low.

I was talking about killing the mimic with a full party of 6, not fleeing. Practically everyone who does this BCNM runs in stag and warps out if they don't get the free chest, and 99.9% of all guides involving T&T are superstitious clap-trap about camera glitches and picks based on your body size.

[Murphie]

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I know. I mean even for the times that I got treasure. Not really worthwhile. 50 seals for the crappy loot table isn't really worthwhile.

[Sabaron]

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I know. I mean even for the times that I got treasure. Not really worthwhile. 50 seals for the crappy loot table isn't really worthwhile.

This is what I posted on our LS Comm site for the two runs:


UO
Good Drops:
Peacock Charm (~5% Drop Rate acc. somepage) = 12mil
Erase = 650k
Phalanx = 90k
Utsusemi: Ni = 965k

T&T
Sorcerer's Ring: 2mil
Minstrel's Ring: 2mil
Astral Ring (25% drop):1.2mil
Scroll of Quake: 650k
Light Spirit Pact: 500k
Scroll of Raise II: 500k
Rogue's Ring: (was 300k, currently around 100k)
Platinum Ingot: 150k
Scroll of Freeze: 100k
Shinobi Ring: 100k
Medicine Ring: 100k
Fencer's Ring: 90k

Keeping in mind these are Asura prices... I'm not aware of the drop rates for non-peacock on UO. I'm sure the value of a given run is server dependent somewhat, but a 5% 12mil drop on UO is absolutely godly...by itself is 15,000gil per seal; conversely, for T&T (fought not fled) is 6,000gil per seal counting the 25% astral ring drop (neither counting the big money rings/scrolls).

As far as drops are concerned, I'm not interested in actually posessing a peacock charm, so it'd be a sell drop. I'm not a ninja, so Ni would be a sell drop as well. As a RDM, I sub BLM a lot, so a Sorcerer's Ring would definitely be nice, but on the other hand, so would a scroll of Erase. As a SMN, I'm not really interested in buying a Light Spirit Pact, but I am interested in having one; of course a lot of people get LSP from Crimson-toothed Pawberry while they're doing Carbuncle's Mitts.

[Murphie]

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You're also splitting the loot (or doing loot to orb :/) for 6 folks with T&T instead of 3 for UO.

[Sabaron]

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We'd be doing loot/orb for either UO or T&T either way since one of our LS members actually wants the PC for himself (UO). Sell-off seems "fairest", but it's just not nearly as interesting, imo, and it totally negates the random treasure drop coolness by playing off the extraordinarily boring laws of statistics that MMORPG players seem to be so fond of.

When we play P&P D&D, a lot of the excitement comes from the randomness, and I seem to have a lingering affection for it. I'm glad that SE hasn't published any major formulas because if any had, the game would be so flatly min/maxed that there wouldn't be any magic left in it and I would become bored rather quickly (ala Diablo II).

[Murphie]

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Ah, I see. I'm personally just not a huge fan of Loot to Orb, because it means that even though everyone is putting out equal effort for every run, very often only one or two people really make out well, while the rest just get some crap.

But if everyone is amenable to the idea, then that's what works.^^

[Andvari]

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I think I might try UO but meh.. the new nerf on BLM might make the 3xBLM set up work badly..

I used to do The Worms Turn 5xBLM 1xWHM.. this used to be VERY easy if you had experienced players.. but then there was an update done on the BCNM that was i dunno, i guess you could say it wasn't a very intelligent update and it was left unfinished.. first off all the small worms 1st spell changed from Rasp and StoneII to Stoneskin.. so the old method of Aga onto the NM untill the little ones died then rest up and kill NM.. that didn't work.. SO we swapped to Sleepga and kill NM first.. there was a glitch which makes the animation for casting carry on passed 100%, the damage or effect was cast but it wouldn;t be logged.. so obviously that throws you off and at one point the NM !!!WORM!! moved towards us.. so obviously there is something messed up about this BCNM.. but anywho.. when it used to be an easy fight and we got 7min records.. now if you win it.. its at like 28mins.. and its lucky if you do at all after the nerf.

this is similar to Dropping Like Flies.. I did this as 3xSMN a healer and a tank.. that works well.. just Astral Flow them to hell.. but you have to wait 2hours between runs.. so I went in as a manaburn (before nerf) aga onto the NM untill all the little ones died and then bind and nuke the NM.. whereas we used to win in a short ammount of time with great ease.. and if BLMs ran out of MP it was at like 2% HP of the NM andthen a BLM just manafonts to finish it off.. after the Nerf we were all out of MP when the NM had 24% HP left.. to be honest I can't see what significance the nerf has at all.. why SE wants to spoil the fun is beyond me..

i'll update on how UO goes lol

[Sabaron]

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I think the intention was to spoil your easy drop fun, yes. I'm not fond of "procedural" money-collection algorithms in games. In fact, were I one of the SE Programmers, I might just decide to twist the little bastards AI or setup periodically just to mess with you--for instance by moving the central worm a little off center so that your -gas and Astral Flows miss 30-50% of the worms or allow the worms to tunnel occasionally during battle.

In my opinion, if it's not at least a little bit hard, it's not really all that fun or exciting. They're just trying to spice the game up a bit.