post 75 - Jugs and Beast Affinity

[Romyro]

I’m wondering if the older HQ jugs, as in currier carrie, can break level 75. Not sure how this was tested in the past (Brenner perhaps??). I was under the impression that with BA you can have jugs reach level 80. I could have sworn I saw that written on the update. I was hoping this meant all jugs (that originally didn’t cap) oppose to just the new 4-5 jugs.

I was in Mount Z yesterday with 3 other Bsts killing trolls. 2 of us (1 being me) are 76 with 5/5 BA and monster gloves. Both had a CC out. A few minutes later we decided to level sync to the 75 Bst. Both of our CCs did NOT disappear.

In my experiences, anytime you have a pet and someone syncs, you only lose the pet if it’s level changes.
If I sync down, I lose pet
If someone syncs down to me, my pet stays
(Same with pup)

Now I know BA is more helpful for the jugs that capped at 65 (because it can bring them up 10 levels if capped). But I always thought with 5/5 BA you’d always get a capped CC. And if not then having relic hands would cap him for sure.

With 5/5 BA and Relic gloves can you still get a CC a lvl below you? Or are we going to be seeing CC, LDL…etc. die off during the last 24 levels.

[Feba]

Re: post 75 - Jugs and Beast Affinity

. die off during the last 24 levels.

Don't forget that this is SE, they probably forgot at least a couple things in the level cap increase. And who better to fuck over than one of the pet classes? Having pets is like Vana'diel's AIDS. You can make the best of it, but you'll never escape the stigma.

[LadyKiKi]

Re: post 75 - Jugs and Beast Affinity

# The Beastmaster job trait "Beast Affinity" can now increase pet levels to a maximum of 80.

from: ≪Jun. 22, 2010 (JST) Update Details≫

So we're cool.

EDIT: Actually, I should be saying "so, we're cool, but it doesn't mean much!"

[Romyro]

Re: post 75 - Jugs and Beast Affinity

Well, I would think that if SE ‘forgot’ a couple things, older jugs wouldn’t be it. And I only say that because during this update, they specify focused some time on Bst and Bst jugs. How can you make new jugs and forget about the old ones. Also, in the past pervious couple updates they put some time into making jug recipes easier (via synergy) iirc. And for a Bst in endgame… Call Beast is one of the most important abilities. Especially since this update is kind of a repeat of Sea. Abyssea, and I assume WoE does not have many (if any) charmable pets for us. **Although I can’t fully confirm that since I haven’t been to all the new areas**

Seems rather depressing if they forgot about one of our most important aspects of the job when they clearly put some focus into it. And don’t get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the new jugs but to lose out on CC, LifedrinkerLars, Chopsey, Panzer and Amigo (maybe some others) would make me one sad Bst.

But your absolutely right…this is SE and things may have been forgotten/overlooked. I believe it happen to smn a few updates ago where –perp cost was acting a little funky. I’m going to do a little more testing. If this still happens in 77-80 range (not losing CC when syncing) then I think it’s obvious they don’t go beyond 75. Would asking a GM be a bad idea?

You can make the best of it, but you'll never escape the stigma.

To be honest (and I could very well get flamed for this)…I think SE has given Bst A LOT of love over the past few updates/Add ons. Yes…the big downside is non charmable pets but aside from that…how can you not be happy?

-I don’t know the details but isn’t easier to HQ jugs now via synergy?
-Have you seen the plethora of gear our there now that add stats to your pets?
-Being able to choose TP moves for jugs
-New Traits
-New jugs
-fuking sweet Magian weapons for both the Bst and the Pet
-Primal Rend!!!

# The Beastmaster job trait "Beast Affinity" can now increase pet levels to a maximum of 80.

See…that’s what I read too. But look at my example/question. Both Bsts were 76 with 5/5 BA and Monster gloves. Synced down to 75 and did not lose pets. Again I plan on doing more testing. I was just wondering if someone had similar/different results than I did. IF CC can get higher that 75, theoretically he would disappear when I sync down (which he didnt for both Bsts in the party).

I’m not sure if that wording is only for these new jugs. We have 1 or 2 Bsts in my shell that hit 80 last night…maybe I’ll ask for a few minutes of their time to test it out again.

[Romyro]

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Didn’t want to start a new topic since it’s about jugs so I’ll somewhat revive this one

I’m not sure about you other Bsts here…but GAWD DAMN I love these new jugs ><. These have been very nice compared to most of the previous ones.

Sheep has some high Damage, double attack
Courel is the ultimate kiter along with a decent proc-ing paralyze & silence TP moves
Rabbit is a nice semi backup healer and foot kick is pretty good
Bug is said to have TH ability. Certainly has some damn fine evasion.
Mandi is ok, haven’t used it much though
Fungar…only one I’m not impressed with (yet)

The fungar so far is disappointing…only because fungar was my favorite before these came out…only thing I’ve noticed is some high Dark Spores on DC mobs (700-900).

Just a couple things since these came out…

-I can now take town Tough mobs with ease, VT depending on the mob (though pet needs to rest after each)
-I have trouble getting hate if meleeing (can be good or bad though)
-A LS member got a lower level UFO down to about 12% (solo)
-I was able to Trio high level UFOs (3 Bsts, we killed 3 of them).
-Silenced plenty of dangerous Spells (AM/-ga IIIs)

I do get that being 5 levels higher also plays a big role in this…so maybe I’m a little too over excited about it…but whatever. Though they are not local pets and you’d have to craft/farm/buy them…I think they are a nice fix for SE not adding many (if any) charmable mobs in certain areas.

[Esoa]

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First off, there's absolutely no reason to EVER use one of the old jugs. The new jugs are literally in a class of their own. With all the old jugs, they were relatively comparable with some being better than others because of the mob type's TP moves or job. However, even a lvl 80 LDL will get utterly destroyed in damage dealing and taking ability by any of the new jugs (except the HQ funguar, because it is in the "old" category).

I'm not sure why you would use CC at 76 (I would flat out refuse to party with any BST who wasn't taking advantage of the largest change to BST jugs since...forever, especially since they are cheaper than CC). However, I would not expect to see a CC called at 76 disappear when syncing to 75 because BST jugs are randomly 0-2 lvls lower than the player who calls them. That means that it is more likely than not that the CC's called at 76 were lvl 74 or lvl 75. BA probably works, not like it matters because all the jugs you would ever want to use are uncapped at the moment.

[LadyKiKi]

Re: post 75 - Jugs and Beast Affinity

Thanks for info. BSTs in my LS have been raving about them, however I've been focusing on MNK/BST only so far and have limited playtime for the month due to some deployment work at work lol, so I haven't even begun the 76-80 journey yet.

So basically from the sounds of it, as you guys said, class of their own, the old jugs would probably die against an EM, whereas these new ones can easily make a significant difference.

I don't even remember the names of the jugs ... better check prices haha!