Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

[Romyro]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

Here’s the point I’m trying to make

The point I was trying to make is that +8 CHR isn't going to impact your success rate or stick rate enough to really warrant the 70-100K or w/e it costs on your server.

THAT statement I 100% agree with.

I’m looking forward to lady’s results but I’m pretty sure +chr has nothing to do with duration. I’ve never had a ‘partial stick’ as you call it. At lower levels I remember charming Ems and following the game clock. I was almost always able to predicted (within 5-10 seconds) when my pet would turn on me. I was horrible at bst in my 20s and finaly learned to use the clock to my advantage. Once I was about 5-6 game minutes away, I would put my weapons back and run to a safe area ready to recharm.

[Kanmiqote]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

Live testing in real time! This is why we love you Kiki

I can hardly wait to see what you find! I'm actually getting a little short of breat in anticipation

"Charm +" Demystified! :: Final Fantasy XI :: ZAM

This is a pretty recent article at Zam.

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I’ve never had a ‘partial stick’ as you call it.

Partial Resist is what was trying to come up with.

[Romyro]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

Well…I guess I never test duration with and without chr. I’ve read a number of forums others have tested and going off the knowledge from them.

But I did use the game clock back in my younger days and I always lost my pet around the same time. I don’t remember getting partial sticks/resists.

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I’m having trouble reading this…is this how it turned out?

Test 1 No Chr/no staff = 3:56
Test 2 Chr/staff = 4:47
Test 3 Chr/staff = 4:54
Test 4 No Chr/no staff = 4:51

[LadyKiKi]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

Final Results, putting on page 2:

No CHR, No Staff: 3:56
CHR, Light Staff: 4:47
CHR, Light Staff + missing +3 CHR: 4:54
CHR, No Staff: 4:51
No CHR, Light Staff: 3:57

Summed up in a nutshell, and here we go. Give 1-3 seconds margin of error on each since I'm not exactly stopping it the moment I see it uncharm (I got my volume turned up so the moment I hear an angry growl I know it's uncharmed).

Conclusion: Unless I'm soloing X NM or farming, I will generally EXP only and will beat down my mob within 4 minutes with a moderate amount of CHR

[Romyro]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

I hate to kill your time, but would it be too much to ask to test once more with No chr and no staff as well?

[LadyKiKi]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

Crap I misread you and warped out lol, warping back, not doing anything in particular anyway, too tired. brb

[Romyro]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

ha, you dont have to go out of your way for me.
thank you vm for the testing. once i get my computer up and running again i'd like to do some testing myself.

[Kanmiqote]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

Final Results, putting on page 2:

No CHR, No Staff: 3:56
CHR, Light Staff: 4:47
CHR, Light Staff + missing +3 CHR: 4:54
CHR, No Staff: 4:51
No CHR, Light Staff: 3:57

While these results are interesting and very much appreciated, they are not exactly scientific. In order to fully test partial resist rate percentage, one would need to take data over several tests for each gear combination on multiple mob lvls etc. etc. etc. Thus the inconsistancies.

However I think this begins to paint a picture, and Kiki deserves a cookie. . .heck how about a whole pie/cake for taking the time to do this.

[Romyro]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

Hmm, how much chr do you have.
If you said you had a healthy amount. What is that…about 20?

If so it almost looks like each chr adds approx 3 seconds.
Heck, your light staff has chr+1 right? looks like it could be 3 seconds more than without your staff.

Oh man, thanks lady, this is like Christmas all over again ><.
certianly worthy of a whole pie/cake.

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Ha, btw…sorry to the OPer if I strayed your topic off course ><.

I would say that while /dnc might be a viable choice, /whm and /nin still seem to be the top 2.

[LadyKiKi]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

I'm back in the hole now. Charmed an EM Tormentor with no CHR and no Staff.

Yah I purposely chose not to do it scientifically. At the end of the day I can either land Charm or don't land Charm, if I don't land I kite and try again. Once I charm I will proceed to beat down my mob for EXP and usually win, /BST doesn't allow me to pet swap efficiently, I play aggressively. I test EM only because that is the highest you can go while still remaining some form of efficiency (duration, no EXP cut), where as if I'm charming anything tough to fight I would find myself in some sort of marathon fight where my pet probably won't last 2 mins or less anyway, and Decent Challenge usually lasts over 5 mins anyway and by that time my pet would've died and I would've got a new one. Also, there's really no situation I'll be in half-assed gear either lol

There will be little to no chance I won't be using my "standard CHR" gear which fits all jobs:

Noble's Ribbon (3)
2x Loyalty Ring (6)
Bird Whistle (3)
Corsette +1 (6)
Light Staff when I hit 51

For the tests in the crappy Tonberry hole my base CHR is 70 with no gear. With gear it's:

Staff (1)
Goliard Hat (5)
Errant Body (10)
Marine F Gloves (3)
Loyalty Ring x2 (6)
Jester's Cape (7)
Corsette +1 (6)
Volunteer's Nails (5)

Totally 43, 70+43.

Also, 3:56 on no gear, no staff, second attempt.

No CHR, No Staff: 3:56
CHR, Light Staff: 4:47
CHR, Light Staff + missing +3 CHR: 4:54
CHR, No Staff: 4:51
No CHR, Light Staff: 3:57
No CHR, No Staff, Attempt #2: 3:56

EDIT:

Oh, to quickly mention, I think at low levels, especially pre 40, you shouldn't really need to do EM vs T, it's very slow and mobs are still weak at that point, it's faster to abuse FoV and charm DC and slaughter EP.

[Romyro]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

ha, ok scracth the 3sec/chr theory.
so it looks like light staff doesnt have any affect on durtaion but chr might...interesting.
i will do some minor testing on my own for shits and giggles. I'll be sure to put my foot in my mouth if i constatnly see chr lasting longer than no chr.

I think i mentioned earlier that i rarely run into a duration problem since i constantly recharm or my pets dont live that long lol.

maybe...and it's a strech, but just maybe the monster signa might be worth it for a short period of time.

[gimptaru]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

Go /whm for utility.

[Romyro]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

btw, found this under the BARD section. the topic i believe is called 'Brd/Bst?'

The greatest benefit Monster Signa provides is the gil morons will give you to buy it. Monster Signa is trash for its level and outshined by Light/Apollo staff by the time it might actually have been useful. Sell it for some classy gear you'll need to invest in later.

Why people to this day insist upon recommending that piece of shit is beyond me. The stat curve isn't high even enough for you to benefit from it at the level you can equip it and you'd see the same level of resists any BRD would pre-Light Staff. Its even more trash for BST.

I can tell you having taken BRD to 75 and BST almost as high that you only invest in CHR for IT++ kinds of mobs and even with loads of it on BST, you'll still have trouble charming high level even match mobs - especially amorphs and the ones that have light affininty to start with. So even then, Light Staff reigns for BST charm more than CHR does.

[Esoa]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

In all my time leveling to 75 and doing stuff as /BST I can't ever recall charm duration decreasing noticeably with or without light staff. I don't think there's such a thing as partial charm resists or surely by now we would have noticed (unless a partial resist is like 5% duration reduction...and then who cares).

As for subs:

/WHM best all around sub because you get Dia II, cures, stoneskin, status cures, and reraise. Dia II is great for increasing your pet's damage and outdoes your personal DPS gain you'd get from going /NIN.

/NIN best for bombs since they hit very hard. Normally you don't fight IT mobs so getting hit a couple times while mischarming/pet swapping isn't a big deal, but with bombs it is.

/DNC best for fighting EM and lower where you are right in there meleeing with pet and even tanking. Steps are a better DPS buff than Dia II and you get accuracy bonus.

[Romyro]

Re: Solo BST sub: /WHM, /DNC, /NIN?

/NIN best for bombs since they hit very hard. Normally you don't fight IT mobs so getting hit a couple times while mischarming/pet swapping isn't a big deal, but with bombs it is.

Ha, i think i'm the only one who'd rather go /whm for bombs ><.