Post your "Oh *beep* 'turtle up'" gear

[Losrase]

I wondering what are people's gear setup for waiting the 10 seconds for Charm recast timer.

Currently:
Main: Earth Staff
Body: Darksteel harness
Hands: Gothic gauntlets
Ring1: Jelly Ring
Ring2: Patronus Ring
Feet: Gothic Sabatons

Total: -30% Physical Damage taken and two sources of Physical damage taken: "Ice Spikes" effect (possible paralyze)

This does give me Enmity +4 but I dont know if that would make a difference.

[cadoxangelus]

Re: Post your "Oh *beep* 'turtle up'" gear

My monks set up at the moment:

Main: Earth Staff or Hades Santi/Black Argadas
Head: Feral Mask
neck: guarding tourqe
body: arhats gi
hands: danzo tekko
Ear1/2: Avengers earrings
Ring1: Jelly Ring
Ring2: Patronus Ring
legs: temple hose
waist: muscle belt
feet: latent effect: counter+1
At the moment im aiming for the physical damage -%/guard/counter build. Some of those need some upgrades. but so far its been helpful.

[Romyro]

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I pretty much just use an earth staff. I mainly use Tame, Bink/Stoneskin or Uts as my damage reduction.

I've got way too many other sets for bst...i just dont have the space for -damage

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forgot jelly ring. I do use the jelly ring sometimes too.

[LadyKiKi]

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My monks set up at the moment:
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by the way Denali Hands would be useful for you too


Anyway, for BST this is what I am currently geared with if I mischarm:

Feet: Skadi Feet

unless I'm charming Raptors/Tigers/Colibri -- but I rarely ever charm these anymore.

I can outrun/kite most of my mischarms.

This does give me Enmity +4 but I dont know if that would make a difference.

No, it won't, don't worry about it.

As for Ice Spikes, unless you keep mischarming, this might cripple your next fight briefly if paralyzes proc often, so for this you might want Askar Feet instead, and maybe Darksteel Mittens as a filler?

[Romyro]

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Feet: Skadi Feet

unless I'm charming Raptors/Tigers/Colibri -- but I rarely ever charm these anymore.

Definitely something in need to work on…
Even the ASA legs with 8% movement would suffice probably.

I go Pup/bst a lot and I cant tell you how many times Hermes Sandals have probably saved my life.

[Losrase]

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by the way Denali Hands would be useful for you too


Anyway, for BST this is what I am currently geared with if I mischarm:

Feet: Skadi Feet

unless I'm charming Raptors/Tigers/Colibri -- but I rarely ever charm these anymore.

I can outrun/kite most of my mischarms.



No, it won't, don't worry about it.

As for Ice Spikes, unless you keep mischarming, this might cripple your next fight briefly if paralyzes proc often, so for this you might want Askar Feet instead, and maybe Darksteel Mittens as a filler?

I learned that last night so now I have two set of macros. One for mischarming potential pets and one for just trying to get to the next pet if what I am fighting is faster than I am.

I would love a pair of Skadi's but there is no way I can get my hands one a pair.

[Armando]

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Enmity+4 would only add 4% more enmity to any actions you're doing with it on. Since you're not going to be doing much to the mob, it won't affect you. Even if you were somehow smacking it for worthwhile damage, it's only 4%.

Have you guys tried using a Size 3 shield instead of an Earth Staff?

[Romyro]

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I learned that last night so now I have two set of macros. One for mischarming potential pets and one for just trying to get to the next pet if what I am fighting is faster than I am.

(This is just my opinion)
Having 2 sets of mischarm gear is a waste of inventory slots imo. I guess if you have the space…go for it but I think an earth staff and a jelly ring is more than enough.
If you mischarm THAT much where -25% damage and your sub defense doesn't hold up…I doubt the extra gear pieces would help. You may be in need of a better charming set at that point. I got a Bst friend that has a very nice –Dam/Def set but it’s used for kiting.

In most situations I’ve actually found the “Pet+” gear to be very helpful. I’ve seen a noticeable difference in my pet’s performance when I have that set on. And generally adds up to slightly less charming.

[Losrase]

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Enmity+4 would only add 4% more enmity to any actions you're doing with it on. Since you're not going to be doing much to the mob, it won't affect you. Even if you were somehow smacking it for worthwhile damage, it's only 4%.

Have you guys tried using a Size 3 shield instead of an Earth Staff?

Would the shield proc if your back is facing the mob? (aka tactical retreat >.>)

(This is just my opinion)
Having 2 sets of mischarm gear is a waste of inventory slots imo. I guess if you have the space…go for it but I think an earth staff and a jelly ring is more than enough.
If you mischarm THAT much where -25% damage and your sub defense doesn't hold up…I doubt the extra gear pieces would help. You may be in need of a better charming set at that point. I got a Bst friend that has a very nice –Dam/Def set but it’s used for kiting.

In most situations I’ve actually found the “Pet+” gear to be very helpful. I’ve seen a noticeable difference in my pet’s performance when I have that set on. And generally adds up to slightly less charming.]

I would agree with you but 2 slot doesnt make a big difference to me and this set up has save me from mischarms since level 68. Even a really bad one at level 72 when I mischarmed 6 times in a row in Ru' Gardens.

I find it strange that I start to mischarm a lot when I am about to level. I mean within 3k from leveling, I seem to mischarm more often.

[Armando]

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Would the shield proc if your back is facing the mob? (aka tactical retreat >.>)

No. You can run at full speed while facing the mob by being in first person view (and not being locked on) but naturally you'd need to know where you're going in advance or check your rear periodically by tilting the camera completely to one side (say, right) and curving your path briefly to the left so you can see what's behind you.

[Romyro]

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I find it strange that I start to mischarm a lot when I am about to level. I mean within 3k from leveling, I seem to mischarm more often

Yup, that’s usually how it works. SE has this…6th sense and knows when your about to level or about to log. Either way, that’s when your Chr, Str, Vit, Dex, Mnd & Int secretly get redueced to 0….and you die.

No. You can run at full speed while facing the mob by being in first person view (and not being locked on) but naturally you'd need to know where you're going in advance or check your rear periodically by tilting the camera completely to one side (say, right) and curving your path briefly to the left so you can see what's behind you.

Ha, I think I’ll stick with my –damage and run. Though I’ve been to places like sky a lot, I cant really get around with my eyes closed. Also, wouldn’t this require a decent shield skill? I believe I’ve gain skillups but not I’m no where near the cap for bst.

[LadyKiKi]

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That will depend on your shield type. I typically use Tatami Shield which does not see as much block rates compared to a Sipar, for example. For this reason if you want to be the most defensive and make the most of your shield is to equip a Sentinel Shield (easily obtained via Imperial Standing, low rank) or buy a Light Buckler.

In any case, having Tatami Shield isn't necessarily bad, but the chances of intimidation are not dependable to keep you alive, but you may get lucky.

For mischarms it's a simple understanding of how kiting/mob "pathing" works. In Sky there's many bushes/rock structures/ponds you can kite mobs forever around in even without movement. Knowing this, if you take the "shortest" corner route that mobs have slight trouble navigating around in, you will gain that distance that will keep you alive.

The other thing is for charming, never stand still and charm, always keep moving (running). The idea is your charm macro should make your character "blink" (swap visible gear). Most of the time your character will blink as you charm, but does not "freeze" you into position, allowing you to keep moving. If it's a mischarm then you've already got a headstart from the mob. The only times I get hit when charming on ANY job (currently soloing with SAM/BST @ 51) is when I have no space to run or kite the mob in, resulting in me taking swings. Otherwise it is very rare for me to take a swing if I'm seriously trying to be efficient (can't recover HP on SAM).

When the mob catches up to you (even though it appears to be out of range, but take the client (your PC)/server positions in mind and it balances out) you will never outrun it in a straight line without any form of movement speed.

[Armando]

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Ha, I think I’ll stick with my –damage and run. Though I’ve been to places like sky a lot, I cant really get around with my eyes closed. Also, wouldn’t this require a decent shield skill?

Probably. I'm a career PLD so I don't know what it's like to have uncapped shield skill. The idea was that, for a PLD, a Size 3 shield offers better damage reduction than an Earth Staff on average. So it seemed to me that it might still be better or at least almost as good on BST if your skill is high, and you wouldn't have to lose all your TP. BST's shield skill is much lower than PLD but on the other hand don't you guys mostly fight Ts and VTs, not VTs and ITs?

For this reason if you want to be the most defensive and make the most of your shield is to equip a Sentinel Shield (easily obtained via Imperial Standing, low rank) or buy a Light Buckler.

Light Buckler would be ideal for skill-ups, but on my PLD testing Size 1 shields are by far the worst for actually reducing damage. The results were Size 3 (kites) > 4 (towers/tatami) > 2 (round) > 1 (bucklers).

There's a couple of other options for those that don't yet have the rank required for Sentinel Shield. There's Acheron Shield which is nice because of the +10 shield skill, Ice Shield which is expensive but has a ~13.3% Ice Spikes proc (Gothic pieces are 9% each) and Hard Shield which is very cheap and fairly low level (48).

[Romyro]

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We do mostly fight Ts and VTs but were not taking hits nearly as often as you (a pld) would. Usually a Bst will let its pet get a few hits off before joining in. /whm’ers would try to get slightly less hate than their pets to avoid taking hits where /nin would probably try and bounce hate more to keep pets alive longer.

I would rarely take hits while soloing /whm (aside from AoEs). And if your /nin your most likely not holding a shield. I do sometimes use my Pallas's Shield while /nin but I’m assuming shadows would keep me from getting shield skills.

Also…shame on me for not knowing, but a few months ago when I did use a Tatami Shield I realized after an unfortunate death that you can intimidate other players ><. My buddy tried to cure me in a pinch and I intimidated it lol. we had some laughs that day…

The idea is your charm macro should make your character "blink"

I can’t emphasize enough how helpful this is as well.
“Pathing” as lady mentioned is important to know too. I’ve survived mischarms many times from just running around rocks.

[Losrase]

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I know how to path but there are situations where you cant run.

For example, yesterday I was in the Boyahda tree and my pet crawler died I mischarmed the next crawler...TWICE (For those keeping score, that is 1 Goobue and 1 Crawler beating the heck out of me for 20 seconds). I was BST/NIN and I couldnt run because there were crawlers on both sides. My turtle defense changed my damage from (Goobue) 150-130 to 100-90 and (Crawler) 100-80 to 70-60. Which kept me alive long enough to Charm the crawler (1215 HP to 106HP). I know this because I took a 2 rounds before I can use my "turtle up" macro. One round was eaten by my shadows because I turned to run and realize I had no where to run. The second round was because I had to move down one macro bar to get to the macro.