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[ospeff]

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. . . You're a fine one to be calling out lies.

Not saying that you are lying, just that, by human standards, your posted times are rather on the unbelievable side.

Nope, got layed off mid february and have built almost 3 75's from lvl 1 since then.

It only takes like 800k xp to get to 75. Let's say bad groups are 5k xp/hr, good ones are 12k/hr, average is 8.5k/hr, would take 100 hours to get to 75, there's 336 hours in a 2 week period, would be like playing 7 hours a day, I'm playing like 12-16 hours a day so I could actually go faster if I didn't slack off and stopped doing nyzul, enms, dynamis etc.

[Wise Donkey]

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I'm playing like 12-16 hours a day

No wonder you got laid off.

[ospeff]

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Actually, I reactivated after getting laid off. Don't be upset in all the years you've been playing you've only amounted to a lvl 70 THF and I beat all your efforts in 2 weeks.

[Durahansolo]

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YouTube - YTMND - Safety Not Guarenteed the movie

You meant this one:

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(Taken from YTMND - Hard Safety - New Trailer!)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Lies.

Took me 2 weeks for SAM 1-75, 1.5 weeks Scholar 1-75, 2.5 weeks for BLM 1-75, I'm about 2 weeks into BLU and am 71.

Probably missing a lot of BLU spells, too. And missing some of the nuances you could have learned had you spent more time on SCH and SAM.

Well, I'm not laid off and this topic is in relation to BST. Most of what's been said in this thread - with the exception of LadyKiki's comments - have been complete bunk. There's no real practical way to gauge the speed at which one person will level BST. BST is pretty much 50% death and 50% persistance. People will seldom invite BSTs to PT.

I've been playing BST off and on for four years now. And when I decide to level it, I often optf the most profitable path and not the most progressive one in terms of EXP. Right now I could be campaigning (my Axe skill is capped, after all) or I could be building PTs, but I'm a penny pinching bastard and I'll take slow EXP with these Avatar Bloods I'm farming up in Pso'xja right now. Way I see it, its going to give me some nice gil so I can snag some Dusk hands, Dusk feet and a Hauberk in the levels to come.

This is one of the nuances of levelling BST - I can take the easy way out or I can accept slow EXP for some respectable gains on gil. That and I can experience levelling in zones most PTs would wet themselves if they had to go to them. I'm actually amazed there aren't THFs and other BSTs down here farming this stuff, so far, all i get is the occasional downtime from people farming chips for the airship fight.

BST's road to 75 is highly variable in contrast to most other jobs, unless you have a static all the way to 75, you'll be soloing or duoing and that's not even clost to the quickest way to get to 75.

Not to mention the path to 75 is filled with incentives to stop for quests, missions, NMs and BCNMs along the way.

Can you get to 75 in a couple of weeks? Yes, but unemployed is a requirement and the in-game cost to your learning a job is incredibly high. A BST that bum rushed 75 wouldn't learn a damn thing about pet hate.

[Elwynn]

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Took me 2 weeks for SAM 1-75, 1.5 weeks Scholar 1-75, 2.5 weeks for BLM 1-75, I'm about 2 weeks into BLU and am 71.

Except you had already played before that. Part of the time it takes for your first 75 is just learning the game and world enough to know how to level that fast, whether or not you start with a new account. And if you don't start with a new account, that also gives you skills and quests that you won't need to do all over again. (many jobs you will have new skills to level, but most of the other skills will remain capped at least through level 60)

And thanks to the "nobody invites BST to parties" problem, it's gonna take longer. I could see an experienced player with no job (12+ hr/day) maybe being able to level BST in a month. Duo might make it easier, though.

But someone who has never played before? And who can't devote at least 8hr/day 7day/wk for it? No way.

[Esoa]

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Nope, got layed off mid february and have built almost 3 75's from lvl 1 since then.

It only takes like 800k xp to get to 75. Let's say bad groups are 5k xp/hr, good ones are 12k/hr, average is 8.5k/hr, would take 100 hours to get to 75, there's 336 hours in a 2 week period, would be like playing 7 hours a day, I'm playing like 12-16 hours a day so I could actually go faster if I didn't slack off and stopped doing nyzul, enms, dynamis etc.

Bad groups are 5k/hour? No, maybe at 65+ but not before. Apparently you also instantly get groups and they magically teleport you to your leveling location, and no one ever goes afk or needs to leave. You have your own special team of BRD, RDM, NIN, 2x DD set up to level with you as soon as you log on.

Yea, I believe you.

[dirtyclown]

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Despite Dave's insistence that leveling any job requires some form of higher thought, BST can be done in a few weeks and all it takes is preparation. Hell, you can even hold a job like I do.

[ospeff]

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Bad groups are 5k/hour? No, maybe at 65+ but not before. Apparently you also instantly get groups and they magically teleport you to your leveling location, and no one ever goes afk or needs to leave. You have your own special team of BRD, RDM, NIN, 2x DD set up to level with you as soon as you log on.

Yea, I believe you.

I make my own groups, and you can get 10k/hr starting in Qufim island worm camp, I've gotten 14k/hr there before actually. It takes like 5 mins for someone to get to a camp, etc. Delfkut's tower is also easily 10k/hr, east ronfaure S is lvl 36 and 14k/hr easily, etc. If someone needs to leave I replace them, someone afk more than 5 mins I replace them, etc. I have no tolerance for that shit.

Stop being bad at the game.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Despite Dave's insistence that leveling any job requires some form of higher thought, BST can be done in a few weeks and all it takes is preparation. Hell, you can even hold a job like I do.

Inside jokes don't work on the internet, clownboy. I can come up with a pet name for you and, trust me, it would be much less flattering than "Dave."

That "higher form of thought" is preparation and approaching a job as something more than just another 75 feather in your cap. Two or Three weeks is rushing it with any job, period - even if you've been through the ropes of EXP PTs before. You won't learn much about any job in that amount of time. For a first job to 75, three weeks is impossible - there are many more roadblocks to face and just getting to 75 isn't your auto-ticket into endgame.

BLM, SCH, RDM, BRD, NIN and COR all need some knowledge of the elemental wheel. And not all of them will employ the knowledge for the same reasons.

PLD, NIN, WAR, BST, THF and any other job that actively deals with enmity needs some knowledge of how to control it. Controlling it is not running away like a ninny as you mostly likely do. Not all jobs control enmity in the same way. The difference between NIN and PLD and WAR tanking, for example.

BST and BLU are unique in that they must employ knowledge of beasts to solo well. There's are wheels for that just like there is one for the elements. While Killer Effects that come from these wheels don't mean much in PTs, they do mean a bit in the solo, duo and even trio situations. In EXP PTs, you'd rely on this a bit less and favor the best DD jug pet for the job.

About 9 out of every 10 BSTs I see, 9 of them are "soloing" in the sense of having a RDM or WHM PL them. That or they're dual-boxing. Either way, they will not learn how to control enmity with their pets. Learning the hate radius of mobs, what generates the most hate and how to best protect yourself with the least amount of MP/TP/Tools are all key to BST soloing.

I remember back when people would get their BSTs PLed to 20 just to do Wings of Fury. BSTs who learned about hate control with their pets came out on top of the fights. PLed BSTs would consistently wipe the fight.

These BSTs likely try to plug themselves in the usual camps rather than check out some of the excellent CoP and RoZ camps that were practically tailor-made for BST solo. The only jug pet they'll probably ever know is Courrier Carrie. She's not a bad pet, she's great for a few reasons, but when the time comes to DD in a PT CC is not always the pet to pull out nor are most NQ jugs.

Finally, you clearly know very little about the stigma BST carries in this game. People keep talking about it being the premier solo job of the game. Since everyone in FFXI likes to take things to hyperbole, they just assume that means if you're playing BST that means you want to solo. Yes and no. I like the job because it can solo, but it doesn't mean its the only thing I ever want to do on it.

Then there's the old stigma of us being MPKers or that they'll reduce a PT's EXP. Many JP players still consider BST players suspect for this reason, even though its much more difficult to pull of BST MPKs than it was four years ago. This shouldn't be surprising though, since players still adhere to old wives' tales about many things in FFXI.

A BST generally won't charm a pet for PTs anymore - that's something we can use jug pets for. In the event a pet is charmed it has to be higher level than the leader to reduce EXP. We can skate around this issue entirely now because of level sync - if the BST is in a synced PT, the mob cons the same difficulty to the BST as it would the PT and T mobs and higher would be harder to charm. Yet people still spread the myth.

MPKing is pretty much impossible unless a PT is fighting a mob of the same family that a BST's mob happened to spawn in. If its too far from its origin point, the BST's pet just depops. I've had quite a bit of time to learn where a mob's home is, as its what we do when we want to reuse pets or we've attempted to convert one to a more suitable level. Using pets to MPK is much more difficult and those that exploited BST to MPK others have left the class.

But the stigma remains. Not to mention endgame isn't very hospitable toward BSTs. We'll f"eed the mobs too much TP." We're "not strong DDs" even though we have the same rating in axe as warrior plus pets to DD with. Um, OK, then I guess I can just take these multiple piles of 99 KS to another LS I get like 50+ of these things a week soloing, enjoy getting your 5 or 6 a week meritting

So BST has a lot of old wives' tales its forced to endure - bullshit people still actually believe. Its a great job when you get to know it and don't intend to rush it. We can go players others won't and tend to learn some of the most profitable corners fo the game while others sit in Whitegate and complain about how hard it is to make gil. Ha.

Finally, I just want to add that if you're holding a job in RL - now isn't the time to be cocky about that. I just said I'm not laid off, I have no illusions about what's going on where I work, though. Those jobs could be gone next week and I could be out. Employed or no, rushing a job to 75 in such a short time says something about how depraved you are, not about how accomplished you are.

[Yellow Mage]

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Don't be upset in all the years you've been playing you've only amounted to a lvl 70 THF and I beat all your efforts in 2 weeks.

Stop being bad at the game.

You know, your posts would be a bit more credible if you left out these kind of totally unnecessarily snide comments. Most people tend to play this game to have fun, and not everyone has an "omg must get this job to 75 nowz" complex. That would really be entirely missing the point of the game, and as it has been said before, it is all about the journey, not the destination.

But, hey, if it really is that simple (and apparently fun for you) to get all those jobs to 75 in a flash without gimping yourself in any one of them, then I dare you: Maat's Cap or gtfo. At your rate, assuming you find a job, it shouldn't take you any more than half a year, maybe a year tops, right? Show us how much "better" at this game you are then all the rest of us, who are apparently "bad" at this game.

[Mog]

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Anyone can get a 75 job in a really short period of time.

Does it mean you know how to play the job that well? Probably not.

[ospeff]

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I have like 13 75's the "journey" was over a long time ago. And these people are calling me a liar, you expect me to reply kindly to them?

If you come in here and say "Hey guys I just solo this crazy NM" and I say OMGWTFZ NO IMPOSSIBLE UR A LIAR *POST FUNNY PIC* are you going to reply to me seriously or just make a comment to highlight my stupidity?

[Armando]

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Ospeff, you got the replies you did because A) you were calling bullshit on a general statement with an extremely particular case, and B) your arguments were way off the mark. Most people don't have anywhere even close to 12-16 hours a day (which is pretty much all day since a person should get 8 hours of sleep, and also needs to eat 3-5 times a day as well as bathe regularly) to play an online game. Even if they did, most wouldn't, because it's not a healthy thing to do. Furthermore, you brought up EXP rates for groups when most BSTs don't party AND the OP specified he was going to solo or duo with another BST.

That aside, you need to lighten up. If you act up this much because of the replies you got, I shudder to think of the uproar you'd cause if someone decided to genuinely troll you.

[Amberly]

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I make my own groups, and you can get 10k/hr starting in Qufim island worm camp, I've gotten 14k/hr there before actually. It takes like 5 mins for someone to get to a camp, etc. Delfkut's tower is also easily 10k/hr, east ronfaure S is lvl 36 and 14k/hr easily, etc. If someone needs to leave I replace them, someone afk more than 5 mins I replace them, etc. I have no tolerance for that shit.

Stop being bad at the game.

lol, I love this guy! Thank you for making my day at Comcast go by faster. Time flys when your having fun.

To get on topic. To get your first 75 will take time. It took me about a year of steady play and getting all the quests and lb's out of the way. Enjoy your path and have fun. Don't be like this guy unless you feel that is what you need to do to have fun but from my exp, the path to your first 75 is where you build the relationship to Vana'diel.....so dont rape it. Good relationships are never started by rape.