BST as subjob??

[DR2D2]

I am wondering if bst is ever a good sub-job(can u still charm animals?) and if so when and what would be a good main job with bst?

[RunningDemon]

Re: BST as subjob??

It only works as a SJ if you have the actual BST level the same as the job you are subbing it to. Meaning say you are a 30 NIN, you would need your BST to be 30 as well to have a chance at charming things, since charm is based on BST level, not level of whatever job it may be subbed to.

[cakemeat]

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...charm is based on BST level, not level of whatever job it may be subbed to.

Is that really true? ive never heard that? Any links for reference? hopefully something that isnt "NSFW"

[Karinya]

Re: BST as subjob??

I've often heard it, but never seen evidence, and it goes against everything else in the game about how subjobs work, so... as far as whether it's really true, I kinda doubt it.

Otherwise you'd see WHM1/BST1(75)s charming the Kraken (easy since it's 40 levels lower than their BST level) and killing everything in Qufim to gain 20 levels in 20 minutes. Then off to someplace where you can find a level 50 monster and run it around a zone full of 40ish monsters, etc... Feel free to try this, but I accept no responsibility for the results, even with 2hr. :D

A more plausible theory is that charm is based on *your current main job* level and CHR - so a WHM30/BST15 will charm almost as well as a BST30/anything (they only have slightly worse CHR, I think) and way better than a BST15/anything, regardless of whether their "real" BST level is 15, 30, 75 or anything in between.

[Gobo]

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EDIT: Nvm, answered already

[Mog]

Re: BST as subjob??

since charm is based on BST level, not level of whatever job it may be subbed to.

If this was true, I wouldn't be able to charm flies in Valkurm Dunes as my 75 blm/ 1 bst. Am I not right?

[WishMaster3K]

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Gobo, I somewhat agree with your explanation as to why Karyina's scenario wouldn't be plausible (without much death, of course, lol....). If possible, it can be that "Charm" has a skill just like other attributes (Sword, Dagger, Evasion, etc), and it follows your main job if your not BST, as opposed to being capped to whatever your sub is (as is normally the case).

It's odd, but who knows, it might be at least partly true.

This is one of those situations where we can't prove that the current theory is correct, nor can we prove that it's wrong. So, I'm more inclined to believe that it's based on the stats of your current job, because otherwise, as Karinya stated, it goes against everything in the game.

But who knows to be sure. We can ask the Devs next time they open the floor to questions.

Edit:
After seeing Mog's post, I do recall taking multiple tries to charm Tigers in Battalia when I first unlocked BST and was messing around as RDM60/BST1 . . . . But anyway....

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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Gauge seems to definitely be affected in this manner. I'm a lvl 68 WAR, and lvl 60 BST. I went out into Caedarva Mire as a WAR/BST to try and get some GAxe skill ups. I was mostly charming Marsh Murres, Puktraps and Caedarva Leeches. Gauge would consistently tell me "It would be difficult to charm blah blah blah." And yet I experienced typical charm success rate on those mobs. And they easily lasted an entire fight and more. I would either have to get my pet to die on a new mob, or zone to uncharm and despawn my pets.

The results were not consistent with the theory that my charm power would be equivalent to a lvl 60 BST. If that were the case, my charm success rate should have been somewhat lower, and charm duration should have been dramatically less, given that I was charming mobs 3 to 5 levels above 60.

So take what you will my experiences.

[Jugil]

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I believe that charm is based upon the level of your BST, and here's why. My BRD is 75, and I'm not sure of the exact number, but my total CHR on BRD is a little over 100. I was in a merit party with my BRD, and it disbanded when I was 500 limit point till my next merit. So, I decided to play around in the Woodlands as /BST (level 52 at the time) and see if I could pick up that last 500 as I didn't want to get another party.

Trying to charm EP spiders, if I had higher than a 20% charm rate I'd be surprised. I don't think CHR was a problem, and as far as a sub goes, my BST was capped. Furthermore, using Gauge on the spiders yielded the "difficult to charm" message.

When I did charm one though, I found that the charm duration was based upon the level of my BRD.

I did a similar test with tigers in Batallia when my BST was 15.

[RunningDemon]

Re: BST as subjob??

What Jugil said is correct. While you may be able to charm if you BST is not the level of the main it is subbed to, you will drastically notice a difference in charm success as your BST level gets close to or equals the level of the main. It has been tested on 'zam with results posted by a guy who went out as a 10 under main, then leveled BST so was same as main and noticed the change in guage results.

[RunningDemon]

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Also some of you are taking what I said too literal. I meant if your are 30/15 WAR/BST (BST 30+) you will charm as well as a 30 BST with low base CHR. Not that a 75 BST could go pop on a level 20 job and charm level 75 mobs easily. (Think level caps)

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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Upon rethinking my results, I can see it being consistent with the "BST level affects success, but not duration" theory.

While messing around as WAR/BST, I was equipping Noble's Ribbon, Bird Whistle, Corsette +1, Allure Rings x 2 and Apollo's Staff. When I try to charm Ts as BST main, the success rate is pretty high. So I suppose my rate of success with charm could be on par with what I might see if I tried charming the same mobs as BST/WHM.

[RunningDemon]

Re: BST as subjob??

Well yeah. duration is determined by +Charm, success is +CHR.