A few ? about BST

[pearlsea]

Re: A few ? about BST

Im not trying to be rude when i only post links to ffxiclopedia but most of the time they can explain it better then i can.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Charm_Plus

[Thoronas]

Re: A few ? about BST

That link is handy for finding gear that has +charm but it doesn't really say what +charm does.

+Charm gear adds time to the duration your charm will last. It becomes handy once you have your full af because you will have about +20 added to your charm duration. I've never been able to figure out how much time it adds since depending on the mobs lvl vs you it will change but with that much added time to your charms you can use low tough mobs as pets and have them last almost an entire fight without uncharming and coming after you.

When I was 61 I went to caedarva mire to exp and all the saplings were T but since I was in full af I could charm them pretty easily and they'd stay with me for about 4 mins max which is perfect since most fights solo shouldnt last much longer than that if you want anywhere decent exp. So I basically used T pets and got exp like I was lvl 62-63 (since my pets were determining my exp). It was some of the best exp I ever got (chain 3-4 for up to 650 with ring on).

[Zempten]

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Ah, I see.

So if I understand correctly CHR is used to lower resistance and Charm gear is used to increase charm duration. However, do we have to keep the Charm gear on us for it to work? or is it only used for the initial charm?

[tdh]

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Ah, I see.
So if I understand correctly CHR is used to lower resistance and Charm gear is used to increase charm duration. However, do we have to keep the Charm gear on us for it to work? or is it only used for the initial charm?

Only for the actual use. Same way gear swaps work for spells.

As long as the gear is equiped when the spell or ability actually finishes, you gain the effect of the gear. So if you start casting an Elemental spell, and then equip INT+40, as long as the INT+40 is equip'd and in effect when the spell fires off you gain the benefit. Well Job Abilities usually instant, so you'd have to have all the CHR and Charm+ gear at the time of Charm.

CHR & Light Staff help prevent Charm resists, and it turns out Charm+ helps with Charm duration. (Something I did not know until I saw this. Thanks!) Once a mob is Charmed, you can put the CHR gear, Charm+, and Light Staff away in favor of Acc or Atk items, and an Axe or whatever weapon you choose.

[Zempten]

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Okay, really sorry for this but need to ask this.

Currently I'm lvl 39 and I find that I still can't meele with my pet safely. Approximately how long do I have to wait into the battle before I can safely meele with my pet? The problem from what I see is that if I wait too long my pet dies too fast and if I go too early I get smacked like a playtoy. Do I still have to play like the "grab multiple mobs and throw at prey" way?

Oh BTW, I'm BST/WAR so I can berserk for those last 5% and hopefully I can use Defender as well. I know about BST/WHM. If it makes that huge of difference I'll give a go again.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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Normally, I wait 3 to 4 hits from my pet before I join the fight. However, I'm also going as BST/WHM. As /WAR, you get the additional benefit of an Attack Bonus job trait, and higher STR and DEX. All of that adds up to a bit more damage (and thus more hate) than a similarly equipped /WHM.

You can stay with /WAR if you absolutely want to. Just unlock your target during battle. Pay attention to whether or not your pet has whiffed multiple times in a row and/or if you have hit for critical damage multiple times in a row. If you suspect you are about to draw hate, or have already pulled hate and the mob is smacking you around, just turn yourself away from the mob. Let your pet land several hits before you turn back to facing the mob.

As far as /WHM vs /WAR...

You must be facing some excruciating downtime whenever you do draw hate. As /WAR, you don't have any Cure spells to cut down on that down time you suffer from taking damage. Also, when you ding 40, /WHM could give you Sneak. Sneak is going to allow you exp in some of the better solo leveling spots.

Oh, and btw, you won't get Defender until lvl 50. At that point, mobs will be hitting you for anywhere between 60 and 100, and crits will be even worse. Defender might cut it down... a little. But you'll still take a beating and your attack will go in the gutter while that happens (so if you were planning to use it at the end of the fight, after you Leave your pet... well, think again).

[pearlsea]

Re: A few ? about BST

Okay, really sorry for this but need to ask this.
Currently I'm lvl 39 and I find that I still can't meele with my pet safely. Approximately how long do I have to wait into the battle before I can safely meele with my pet? The problem from what I see is that if I wait too long my pet dies too fast and if I go too early I get smacked like a playtoy. Do I still have to play like the "grab multiple mobs and throw at prey" way?
Oh BTW, I'm BST/WAR so I can berserk for those last 5% and hopefully I can use Defender as well. I know about BST/WHM. If it makes that huge of difference I'll give a go again.

If you don't want a mage subjob but don't want lots of downtime you get from /war you should look into subbing ninja, it lets you block up to 6 shadows at a time so your pet can regain hate before you start taking damage and you can use the ever popular dual wield trait to use 2 axes.

[Thoronas]

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I really wouldn't recommend warrior at any lvl before 50, because at 50 you can equip crow gear which drastically reduces your enmity. You only need one piece (preferably legs or head) and you should be able to melee with your pets almost right from the beginning. Nin or whm is really the way to go, especially at the later lvls when the mobs you wants are all aggro and its damn near impossible to camp without sneak and or invis.

If you really are going to melee with your pet as bst/war you are going to have to get use to two things. 1) Your pets are still weak and will have most of the hate they generate negated by your preys superior attacks. 2) More often than not you will have to use 2 pets to finish off any T mob and only with the second pet should you be meleeing.

Someone suggested going bst/nin and I think that would be better because even if you pull hate you won't take damage right away. By the time your shadows are down (and you've recast once to prolong it) your pet should have built up enough hate to tank again. So in some cases you could melee with your first pet and not need a 2nd one.

Just remember the common knowledge of the thousands of bst before you. Solo whm/rdm/nin are king. In a party bst/war is an excellent DD.

[Zempten]

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I see, thanks for all your help once again.

[Zempten]

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Oh another question ^ ^

I've noticed that I could use Sic before my pet has 100% TP and once my pet hits 100% TP it will use it's move. By doing so I can practically guarentee that my pet will always fire off it's move at 100% TP. However is there any drawbacks to this?

Also, I know H2H has dmg bonus on undead and piercing has dmg bonus on flying type creatures, however does Axe have anything like that?

[pearlsea]

Re: A few ? about BST

Sic is bugged so sometimes if you use it before you get tp it will never use an tp move till your next sic is ready but its not so bad considering i have gotten both silence gas and dark spore within 5 seconds out of fungy

Also all the info you can posibly need about damage types on ffxiclopedia http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Blunt

[Thoronas]

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The only real downside to using sic on a mob before your pet has 100% tp is that if you use heel or stay and then have them reattack the same mob then they won't do the tp move.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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I prefer not to do Sic before my pet gets 100% TP because of the hate spike I get from it. If you wait until your pet has 100% TP, your pet will get extra hate from its TP move at about the same time you get a hate spike from using Sic. I've gotten smacked by the mob a few times because of this.

I suppose you could run outside hate gaining range of the mob, and then use Sic, and then run back to melee. However, using Sic early in this fashion has one more problem. Many pets have an AoE move that they can potentially use. And if you use Sic before your pet has enough TP, you have less control over exactly when the TP move is used. So even though there are no passive mobs in range of an AoE move when you use Sic, one might wander over by the time your pet has built up that 100% TP.

[Thoronas]

Re: A few ? about BST

One way to get sic off without pulling hate is to use it before your pet even hits the mob. If you know your pet wont link when he uses his tp move you can click your macro for fight and while your pet is moving towards the mob use your sic macro as well. Since you did it before the mob was hit you won't pull hate and your sic timer will be ready that much sooner.

[Zempten]

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Pearlsea, thanks again for your links ^ ^ They really do help. So from what the charts say . . . . . . basically Axe gets 0 DMG bonus, right? Since everything is either 1 or .75. I remeber reading that pets are considered as Blunt, is that correct? or did I imagine reading it?

Thanks everyone for your opinons on using sic ^ ^ They really help. I've noticed that when I do use Sic in the middle of the battle I get hate, but if I hit my /fight and then /sic macro fast enough I don't get hate when the mob uses TP.

Anyways, thanks a ton guys! Your really helping me understand the job better and better