questions about whm/bst !

[isvu]

Hi

A little about my bst. Am a lvl 36 galka bst sub /whm and /nin at times. I seem to find /nin alot easier to use than /whm.

I only got my whm so far to lvl 18 and well you can see why i need to start lvl it again. Now i've read stuff on lvl whm/bst and that it was no different than lvl bst/whm.

I just wanted to get a few opinions on this topic.

Do you guys think lvl whm/bst is the same as lvl bst/whm ?

And is it slower or did you find it went along at the same pace ?

[Mog]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

Hi
Do you guys think lvl whm/bst is the same as lvl bst/whm ?

Not in the least. Think of it this way. While you have access to more cure spells, in terms of beasties you can charm, they're only half your level and that doesn't really help you in terms on soloing, OR getting invited into parties.....

Stick to bst/whm or bst/nin. You'll get a lot farther.

[Caspian]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

I think he's referring to how he should best lvl his whm. I've never heard of WHM/BST being a viable option. Your best bet is probably to level as WHM/BLM or /RDM in a party.

[isvu]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

yeah ... sorry i wasnt to clear. What i was refering to is whm/bst solo.

I've read alot of stuff on being able to solo whm/bst just like bst/whm.

[Mog]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

I've read alot of stuff on being able to solo whm/bst just like bst/whm.

Well, wherever you read it from, they lied to you.

[isvu]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

Well, wherever you read it from, they lied to you.

well am gonna try and give a shot tomorrow see if i can get it to work or not

[Liquidedust]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

Not in the least. Think of it this way. While you have access to more cure spells, in terms of beasties you can charm, they're only half your level and that doesn't really help you in terms on soloing, OR getting invited into parties.....

Stick to bst/whm or bst/nin. You'll get a lot farther.

Actually Charm is wierd like that allowing you to basically charm as well as if you were a BST main of the same level but only as long as your BST level is equal to or greater then the job you are subbing BST to. (there are long discussion fo this in both BG, KI and here about it if you just dig thru their topics a little).

Basically

[code]OnCharm(Charm){

if(BST(mjob)>=WHM(mjob)){

Charm = WHM(mjob);

} else {

Charm = BST(mjob);

}

}[/code]
The downside of course is that you wont have Leave until level 70 if you sub BST however.

And in addition I do solo as PLD72/BST equally well as a full-fledged BST thanks to this (I am BST 72 as well)

[kiffkin]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

I've done a bit of WHM/BST, as it's a great bit of therapy after a bad party on WHM . While it is basically the same, there are few things to remember.

~ No Leave until level 70, which means you'll get a lot of practice at Ghetto Leave (level 20 onwards, as soon as you get Heel).
~ Different way of meleeing. You'll be using a hammer for damage which means you can't use a wand, or you'll be using a wand for rubbish damage. You should get less hate, but you'll have to relearn your timing for finishing off mobs.
~ Blink at 19 and Stoneskin at 28 are fantastic for dealing with mischarms.
~ Sneak and Invisible will make it easier for you to get to certain camps.
~ No jug pets.

Good luck


(btw, I'm a her not a him ^^ )

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

I've duo'ed with a friend on BST/WHM + WHM/BST combination around level 20-ish; his WHM's charm rate was not noticibly worse than mine. (i.e. dangerously fun time for both of us.)

Everything Kiffkin wrote sounds right to me; listen to him and Liquidedust.

[Neppy]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

Ive seen a BRD/BST charming lesser calibri in bhaf thickets, Ive never subbed /bst with any job trying to solo, but even if the BRD/BST was 75, had a fully leveled BST subjob, and could only charm mobs that a 37 BST could charm, then how was he charming these mobs, there is no way a 37 BST could charm those. I would appear to me that charming success wasnt dependent on the sub but rather CHR.

[Haggai]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

I screwed around as WHM40/BST20 once. I did okay, but the charm rate was not good. I had fun, though!

I discovered the ability to charm decently well on /BST when I went to Qufim as BLM/BST screwing around, figuring I could charm the leeches and such. I got brave and charmed the Kraken with success.

[LadyKiKi]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

This subject is too hard to prove. There's been many many arguments regarding charm success rate whether it's based on your main BST level, or CHR. Typically I've seen many more BSTs argue that charming rate is a lot easier if their main BST level is 75. Someone else proved it by using the "Guage" option on particular monsters to see if the message you get has changed.

Regardless, it's still an ongoing argument/discussion.

One thing I do recommend is to NOT Ghetto believe. Under my impression, I believe going for the kill all out you will get penalised for your EXP, but your kill speed will make up for the penalty. It's kinda like a catch 22, but with Ghetto leave you face the problem of your pet uncharming and although you can survive better as WHM/BST rather than BST/WHM, it can just get tricky (especially if they perform a TP move). You can solo with your EXP Band to make up for the slight loss though. Depends on your playtime and such really.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

There's been many many arguments regarding charm success rate whether it's based on your main BST level, or CHR.

Without having tested this myself, I would tend to believe it relies on both, to some degree. Even BST mains don't ignore CHR gear. So when going as /BST, I would suggest having CHR gear handy for when you attempt to charm mobs.

But how much of an impact the level of your BST sub has on charm performance shouldn't impact the OP. The lvl of his BST is far above his WHM already. I've read about other players soloing as NIN/BST or RDM/BST at higher levels, so I don't see any reason why the OP shouldn't give WHM/BST a try, if his preference is soloing over partying for exp.

As LadyKiKi said, keeping your pet around (rather than employing ghetto leave) isn't the most dire thing in the world. Compare it to duoing. If you duo'ed an EM mob, you'd get 60 exp out of it. On the other hand, if you solo with a pet, you'd get 70 exp out of it.

[isvu]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

Thanks for the replys guys/gals

Didnt get a chance to do anything yesterday but i will try it out today. I have to lvl whm so i might as well do it via solo or pt setup but to do it effectively in a pt i will need more mp gear and at my lvl that stuff doesnt come cheap

I guess i will just have to do what most whm do when they solo ... kill easy prey maybe or focus on d/c or e/m.

But i dont think its gonig to be as hard as some thing or near impossible as others do. My main is bst so i do have alot of charm gear to help in charming pets so... well see.

I'll keep ya posted

[TaruBST]

Re: questions about whm/bst !

I have both WHM and BST to 75.
As WHM/BST, I can charm almost as well as BST/WHM.
WHM75/BST37 does not mean charm strength is same as BST37.
I can charm LV75 mobs with no problem as WHM75/BST37.
The mischarm rate is noticeablly high, but WHM's MP covers is.
The biggest difference I consider is WHM has reraise 3 and BST has jug pet for emergency.

BUT! If I were to level WHM again, I would never solo as WHM/BST...