They threw me in jail!

[little ninja]

Re: They threw me in jail!

... how can you argue this whole time and all the while not knowing that this is what happens when a bst swaps pets? that's just amazing. This has been the bane of bst for the longest time.

An is the reason why Bst wont solo many nm's. We can take amemet on, we can take most of the nms on that gil sellers monopolyze. yet this bug forces us away from such things.

[Ziero]

Re: They threw me in jail!

This had nothing to do with him being a Bst, he had claim on a mob that dropped a valuable item and the other party wanted it instead. Had this been a Rdm or Blm doing the Sleep > nuke method you can bet your ass they would have voked the second it turned yellow on them too. He knew perfectly well why they were there and ever since his first post has been trying to spin the story to make it like he was the good guy and was treated unfairly because he was a Bst.

They weren't using an 'known exploit' they were making full use of a BALANCED SYSTEM that was put in place to prevent one bst from claiming and holding three mobs at a time. He could have avoided ever losing any of the mobs he was fighting by using jug pets but was too cheap to do so. Instead he risked trying to kill a quasi-NM while a party of people who were farming the same mob sat and watched. He knew the risks of what he did and when he ended up being hit with the consequences he started bitching.

First he complained to a GM, who was 100% right in this situation. These few rare mobs are fair game the second they turn yellow. It's not griefing, it competition. They're not doing it to piss him off they're doing it to get the rare item these monsters drop.

Then he told them to leave. Though they were rude for stealing 'his' mobs and were rude for camping them on top of him after he was there first, they were completely within the ToS to do both. Sadly you can't get people banned for bein jackasses, if you could 65% of the player population wouldn't be playing anymore.

Then he threatened them. Or did everyone miss that?

so i told them they got 10 mins i hope they get what they came for.

Clear and present intent in this action. He gave them a warning of some unknown consequence which GM#2 clearly understood.

And then he openly, willingly and eagerly tried everything he could to purposely piss them off. THAT'S griefing. He stopped farming these mobs for drops and purposely held them preventing their death and respawn to hinder their farming. And he did it, purposely, for almost an hour.

So we all stood around an picked them off 1 at a time. an not kill them. but we charmed them.

So to play fair. we would go kill 2 mobs in the area that would pop, then wed sit down. this went on for 45 mins.

This is holding. The intent was to stop respawns of this one singular type of monster and halt *any* chance it will drop it's item. He took the fair play out of NM farming, which yes these are NMs because they are a few rare monsters that drop a unique item, because he was losing. He got what he deserved and both GMs were 100% correct in their decisions.

Again, the reason Bsts are looked down upon is because of things like this. I have had far more Bsts, who I have never interracted with in any way shape or form previously, grief me then I have ever done to them. In fact I usually go out of my way to make sure I'm not hindering a Bst I see in the area out of respect towards what that player is trying to do. And actions like yours only *hinder* what little respect good Bsts get while playing and cause more players to look down on them.

[Omni]

Re: They threw me in jail!

you are completely inept ziero.
your sole intent is to prove little ninja to be wrong while omitting everything else the other party does. I dont think you've commented much on anything else but lil nin.

It has ALL to do with him being a bst. are you joking? If this was another PT camping eyes, they wouldnt be able to steal on pet swaps and there wouldnt be any hard feelings other than being out pulled on claiming the mob. This has all to do with being a bst.

and far as your 'oh i dont know bsts that do this to me' its because most players here, are considerate enough to use reason when arriving at a camp and partying. THATS NOT THE POINT. that party isnt you, nor anyone here. that party are 6 idiot players that dont have any consideration. get it through your head, lil nin didnt do this to you. he did this to 6 idiot players that were greifing him.

I will cooperate with a party if they cooperate. BUT, if I am at a camp first and a party comes along and just trashes of me after I try to reason with them, they'll have to deal with retaliating.

dont tell me that if someone takes your seat at the movie theatre while you goto the bathroom or getting drinks and popcorn, that you back down and find another seat? Even better, you try to ask him why he took your seat even when your sweater is on the seat and he just laughs at you and tells you to get lost. do you just back down and find another seat in a packed movie?? Now, maybe once or twice you might just let things slide just for the sake of not dealing with shit, but say, for every movie you went to, 50% of the time, someone kicks you out of your seat and slaps you while he's at it.

You still back down each time and take the high road and find another seat like a good little boy? cmon now... let's be realistic not stupid.

[Mhurron]

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It has ALL to do with him being a bst. are you joking?

Only if you completely ignore this can happen to everyone. As stated, a RDM or BLM doing a Nuke > sleep > rest could have this happen to them, a party can have this happen to them if the person currently holding hate DC's. Yet somehow its only worth crying about, work breaking the ToS for, if it was a BST.

He was farming, they were farming. It goes yellow it's fair game. A BST does not have some sort of claim on mobs in an area simply on the virtue of being there. If he wanted to hold it there are ways he could, he didn't so when the mob went yellow it was his own fault.

Nothing they did was against the rules, what he did was. The whole thread is the OP crying about getting sent to jail for breaking the rules, while a party who didn't, weren't. Wow, imagine that.

[Omni]

Re: They threw me in jail!

Actually, nuke, sleep only loses hate after a long period of NO hate being added.
A bst, even with lots of pet hate and bst hate, no matter what will have their mob go yellow. It's systematic that the mob goes yellow after a release/fight exchange. so no its not his own fault that it went yellow.

Oh, i'm not arguing that what he did in return wasnt breaking the rules. dont get too ahead of yourself now. However, people fail to understand that how a bst fights, he cannot keep the mob from going yellow, which makes them a easy target to get their mobs picked off.

There's 5 other spawns there, why do they need to camp his mob. In the beginning it was 6 vs 1. they should be able to out pull him on almost all the spawns but yet they want to take his 1% hp mob. Go figure, people are allowed to greif others not because its not against the rules but because enforcing such things are impossible. Doesnt make it any more OK than what he did.

[Ziero]

Re: They threw me in jail!

No, people are allowed to fight for claims on mobs who's names are yellow. What part of that do YOU not get? No one said the party was right, or nice or even polite in what they did, all that was said was that the party DID NOT BREAK THE TOS.

If ANY cash dropping mob goes unclaimed mid fight it's fair game to everyone around it. SE has said that MANY times. The change in the claiming system wasn't put in to *stop* that from happening, but to give the party who had the initial claim a better chance at keeping the claim. Sadly that is a glitch in their system that they can't seem to fix 100%.

But when a Bst loses claim on a mob he's fighting because he releases his pet, *CHANGES TARGET* and tries to charm a third mob, that's not a glitch, that's working as designed. You learn that happens at lvl 1 Bst, and you *know* that if your fighting a money dropping mob on ANY job that if you lose claim others will try to take it. He could have prevented all of this by using jugs but was too cheap to do so. How is it the pts fault he didn't want to spend money to make money?

The PT was rude, but didn't break the ToS. Little ninja was rude and DID break the ToS, then came here crying when he got busted. I guess his 'secret language' doesn't work as well as he claims.

[Magnus V.]

Re: They threw me in jail!

((Please read whole post before repling to peices))

Believe me, I don't give a shit about acting like a "scholar of all things." I do however get fairly pissed off when people are dishonest with themselves and towards others. Yes, even if they were wronged first. I had guessed it was haku eyes, but to hear you actually confirm it finally after 3 pages of back and forth is stunning. That said, I seriously hope you aren't referring to Blubber Eyes ("all 5 mobs spawn in a small circular room."). One CC should be able to tear through all 5 of the pops with ease as a 75bst. You shouldn't have to use more than 1 jug for all 5 of them, let alone having to petswap for a single one. But nevermind that. The kicker is that you actually told the GM you and your buddies were "meritting" off haku eye mobs? For what, 20xp a kill? Even GMs are not stupid enough to swallow that kind of lie (well, most GMs anyway).

Well it wouldnt matter, i can get 5xp a mob, your free to xp how you wish and say "im meriting" a GM will have to prove im not just patient.

I had guessed it was haku eyes, but to hear you actually confirm it finally after 3 pages of back and forth is stunning.

No one ever asked... So i guess the real point is to have you ask finally after 3 pages of debate amazes me.

P.S. To be fair, in light of how screwy the claim system has become, I do think the first GM should have jailed that PT or warned them at least (for stealing, rather than harrassment). Did the GM actually witness them steal it from you and gave you that yellow-is-fair line? Also, what's his name? lol if it's Wtnite.

Thank you for admitting the wrong on the OP in the first place.

Do you honestly expect anyone to believe that you really thought that a party was fighting thousand eyes for exp, and the fact that there are only 5 spawns for them in the whole game and they drop a 50k+ item that is required for hakutaku eye cluster just wasn't important?

Exactly how stupid do you think we are?

How does the rarity of the mob/drop play a factor in right/wrong?... 50k isnt even that much, take king truffles, only about 6-8 mobs and only in crawlers nest, i used these as pets and as xp mobs when i was 40's BST does that mean anyone coming in to farm them could have reported me? and i would have been jailed?

Well, before I saw that it was thousand eyes, I thought the first GM was in the wrong (although the second was clearly in the right). But considering those things are camped like NMs to begin with, I think the first GM's stance was entirely reasonable.

If you are debating rules? then if it doesnt con "Impossible to Gauge" then it dont mean shit, its a mob same as any other.. so you can scream NM! all you want.. wont mean nothing.

I *do* think the claim system should be adjusted so BST don't lose claims as easily. But there are other options for dealing with that, including choosing targets you can kill with only one pet (or one pet and NPC, or one charmed pet, one jug pet and NPC, etc...) or just choosing a less contested area. Everyone (who didn't just buy their burning eye out of someone's bazaar) knows how fierce the claim competition for thousand eyes can get. You don't have a "right" to them.

I also thank you for acknowledging a flaw in the system and saying it needs to be adjusted. as far as choosing another mob?.. well should he have to?.. its not his fault the gm made a bad call or that the party were asshats. if they were claiming them as they popped with their whole party out there and to assure claim then thats fair but to greif the BST. Not cool and should have been dealt with.

And knowing which mobs were involved, it's not hard to picture the behavior the second GM considered "holding" - 5 bst each charm one thousand eyes and then go kill some undead. The eyes can't repop while they're alive.

Anyone want to defend that behavior now that you know the details?

Gladly!, ill debate it! I dont give a rats ass... they made the mob charmable then that is a "legal" tactic for anyone to use.. regardless. you cant say its illegal to charm a mob that is charmable because its X mob.. if thats the case SE should just change it.

This is the same idea as "if its yellow its fair" rule so "if its charmable its fair"

But they're there for eyes, not exp, and you're not stupid enough not to know that. The fact that you can get 1k/hr doesn't make you an exp party.

Is it rude to grab a monster with valuable drops when someone else loses claim (and is still alive)? Sure. Is it exploiting a bug? Arguably, in this case (maybe SE made BST declaims for a reason, I don't know). Is it against ToS? SE says no.

As i said earlier, What i want to do with my charactor for XP is fine as long as its in the TOS... Charming these mobs, is in fact within the TOS

(((So if i charm crawlers in ES or CN and use them to fight im against TOS?.. by your definition i am)))

Not at all. Their intent was to get the drops for themselves. Your intent was to prevent anyone from getting them by keeping the eyes alive and charmed.

If you just came down there, charmed a bunch of bats and outvoked them on the eyes, killing them as fast as they repopped, the second GM wouldn't have done shit even if you got every eye that popped for an hour. He certainly wouldn't have jailed you for "holding" common monsters nobody cares about.

But that's not what happened, was it?

Well he said he used the mobs to fight the eyes & the mobs in the area... since he said the wolves were VT to him that can be a very useful mob to XP.. and using Eyes makes the best pet in the zone... So it doent matter what a GM wants to say as long as i didnt charm an uncharmable mob then he shouldnt be able to suspend me.

You KNEW that the mobs you were charming dropped rare, expensive, WANTED items and that the other party of people there also wanted those items yet claim they were intentionally harrasing you? No one exps on EM mobs with an party of six, any claim otherwise is a blatant lie. They were there for the drops, just like you. They were after the ITEM. Yes in this situation Yellow is fair game. When you lost claim they gained it and killed the mobs in an attempt to get drops. Not to cause you grief but to gain the item these few rare monsters drop.

As i said earlier, so now the mob sets right from wrong good to know, seeing as you have a list of what these mobs are that change the rules that make a charmable mob against TOS to charm.. please E-mail it to me or post it on this forum... and have a SE confirmation please, cause if not its an unwritten law and therfore cannot be used in a suspension.

I had a situation just like this a while back. A Bst would come up and steal *my* mobs while I was farming Goobbues in Zi'Tah because of the faults in the new claim system. I didn't call my buddies to come lock down the zone, I moved to a new area and kept farming because in the end what he did, though rude, was perfectly legal.

First you say these are "NM's" then compare them to Goobbues?.. which is it? are they NM's or normal mobs?

But you calling your friends to specifically HOLD all five (the only five mobs that drop these items) IS harassment. There is no question now, both GMs were right, the PT did nothing wrong and you were just being as greedy, if not more so, as them.

Give me a break 50-100k?... rare as hell drop and you gonna make it sound like gold? as i said before they shouldnt be charmable then. The drop and mob shouldnt matter.

And yes they charmed the mobs but tell me where holding came into play?.. he said he was killing with them.. and VT mobs are XP mobs and Eyes are mean pets.

You were competeing for gil drops, alls fair when things are yellow. You halting the respawn of these few mobs is actively holding rare and special mobs *is* clearly against the ToS. You have no right to complain about any negative stigmata Bst have because you personally help perpetrate it.

Please edit this to say...

You were competeing for gil drops, alls fair when things are yellow (Except Charming mobs that are charmable)

Then he threatened them. Or did everyone miss that?

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Originally Posted by little ninja
so i told them they got 10 mins i hope they get what they came for.


Clear and present intent in this action. He gave them a warning of some unknown consequence which GM#2 clearly understood.

And then he openly, willingly and eagerly tried everything he could to purposely piss them off. THAT'S griefing. He stopped farming these mobs for drops and purposely held them preventing their death and respawn to hinder their farming. And he did it, purposely, for almost an hour.

You have something here, but this really wouldnt matter as the GM called him on Holding (BTW WTH are we playing Basketball?) not threats. And calling buddies is not against TOS, so if hes right, they have all the right in the world to charm any charmable mob to xp with.. would it be right morally, nah cause you know they are a semi-expensive drop. but illegal or against TOS? No

[little ninja]

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[QUOTE=little ninja]So there i was today doin my own thing all alone. An i definately wasnt /anon. When a pt shows up next to me. i guess to farm what i was farming. but it didnt bother me. as im not one to complain about another pt next to me. Then low an behold a few mobs in. they start stealing the mobs i been fighting. they did this over an over.
QUOTE]

I didnt mind that they came to farm the same mobs i was farming. there was enough for us to fight. an we were killing at around the same pace. i was a tad slower. which only means the cycle would only keep a steady flow. hell even at one point i thru their tank a pro2, an shell2.

So since you seem to be on the same side as the party( probobly cause your guilty of the offense yourself). how does their actions not fall under harrassment?

Stop quoting me, or atleast quote everything i say. sure pull one or 2 lines from 6 pages worth to make your point even that much more lame if you will. like it states i could care less who came. i was even being friendly by casting buffs on them. had they done their thing, an i my own. i prob would have thrown them a few cures as well. an offered to pt jump for a curaga II. something ive been known to do.

An i will go on record as to saying i have stolen a mob or two from a rdm sleeping them BUT it was something i didnt now they were doing. i was exping an needed a pet an fast. i turn the corner an saw a unclaimed spider an charmed it. well the rdm was up a bit, an had slept it duo to a link. i didnt know it at the time. til the rdm sent me a tell.
Well i didnt tell him tough shit like you guys are telling me. i told him i was sorry, an that i didnt know he had slept it. i was running for my life an charmed the first tihing i could see regardless what it conned. so when i was done with it. i released it near him to hit it once, an get a web to drop. other then those few times something like this has happened i never charm or fight there mob. i just say screw it. i dont want to deal with the bull crap. an thus i push myself harder to get the next one.

LoL use a jug pet. if its one thing im not a cheap bst. i have more +1 gear then you could imagine. cheap is not one of them. its called common sense. since its a known fact that the mobs in the area are infact stronger then any 1 choice for a jug pet we can use. so i choose to use the games mobs to fight. but i guess when i get my jug pet upgrades an AF2 your gonna be the first poster bitching about how strong bst jugs are. if you havent already said so after watching jug burns decimate entire zones.

. An actually we sat to wait for reward timer to be up. Since there is a nice time restraint on it. once it was up we got up used another piece of food, an pulled the next skeleton, or dog near the tunnel. an its still not a notorious monster. it is a regular mob. so get of the it drops this so its not an nm.

You dont know what you are talking about. atleast ive stood behind my statements an not changed it to drag an argument out. " ohh it only pops 5 places" proved you wrong, so now you change it to try an keep your story goin.

why do you keep praising this kind of behavior in a game. So you are all for "every man for themselves". that its ok to take any mob regardless if its a glitch or not? regardless if the person or party fighting it is alive an not dead. im sorry but you cant preech moral issues on one aspect. yet disregard it on another.

i admit what i did was wrong. i have not denied it since the first post. yet you seem to almost praise the people who deliberatly stole my mob, an you crucify me. what ever happened to proper game manners. where the sense was good for them, but this next one we will ebe damned if that bst gets it mantality. or are we back to your every man for himself speal. sorry to say but if you still want to praise game manners where players can take a mob when they clearly know my intent. then to be honest you cant sit there, an whine because i then chose to slow down the games mechanics.

[Ziero]

Re: They threw me in jail!

Stop quoting me, or atleast quote everything i say. sure pull one or 2 lines from 6 pages worth to make your point even that much more lame if you will. like it states i could care less who came. i was even being friendly by casting buffs on them. had they done their thing, an i my own. i prob would have thrown them a few cures as well. an offered to pt jump for a curaga II. something ive been known to do.

An i will go on record as to saying i have stolen a mob or two from a rdm sleeping them BUT it was something i didnt now they were doing. i was exping an needed a pet an fast. i turn the corner an saw a unclaimed spider an charmed it. well the rdm was up a bit, an had slept it duo to a link. i didnt know it at the time. til the rdm sent me a tell.
Well i didnt tell him tough shit like you guys are telling me. i told him i was sorry, an that i didnt know he had slept it. i was running for my life an charmed the first tihing i could see regardless what it conned. so when i was done with it. i released it near him to hit it once, an get a web to drop. other then those few times something like this has happened i never charm or fight there mob. i just say screw it. i dont want to deal with the bull crap. an thus i push myself harder to get the next one.

LoL use a jug pet. if its one thing im not a cheap bst. i have more +1 gear then you could imagine. cheap is not one of them. its called common sense. since its a known fact that the mobs in the area are infact stronger then any 1 choice for a jug pet we can use. so i choose to use the games mobs to fight. but i guess when i get my jug pet upgrades an AF2 your gonna be the first poster bitching about how strong bst jugs are. if you havent already said so after watching jug burns decimate entire zones.

. An actually we sat to wait for reward timer to be up. Since there is a nice time restraint on it. once it was up we got up used another piece of food, an pulled the next skeleton, or dog near the tunnel. an its still not a notorious monster. it is a regular mob. so get of the it drops this so its not an nm.

You dont know what you are talking about. atleast ive stood behind my statements an not changed it to drag an argument out. " ohh it only pops 5 places" proved you wrong, so now you change it to try an keep your story goin.

why do you keep praising this kind of behavior in a game. So you are all for "every man for themselves". that its ok to take any mob regardless if its a glitch or not? regardless if the person or party fighting it is alive an not dead. im sorry but you cant preech moral issues on one aspect. yet disregard it on another.

i admit what i did was wrong. i have not denied it since the first post. yet you seem to almost praise the people who deliberatly stole my mob, an you crucify me. what ever happened to proper game manners. where the sense was good for them, but this next one we will ebe damned if that bst gets it mantality. or are we back to your every man for himself speal. sorry to say but if you still want to praise game manners where players can take a mob when they clearly know my intent. then to be honest you cant sit there, an whine because i then chose to slow down the games mechanics.

Okay, quoting everything you said, here goes.

No one saying the party was *right*. If you think so then you are not reading the posts. They are saying the party did NOT break the ToS. They were within the written rules to do what they did. Though they are scumbags and jack asses for doing so, they were not in violation of any written rules.

As for the jug pets

Jugs are ok on them, but the mobs tend to spam flare very often it seems. my C.C actually got hit with flare at the biginning of the fight, an then the middle. Its sad im gonna have to resort to spending 30k a stack of C.C an 20k a stack of epison just to not be stolen from on every mob.

You knew these mobs dropped a highly valuable item and knew that other people would more then willingly take them yet risked that fact because you didn't want to spend the gil. Once they started taking the mobs why didn't you bust out your pets? You said they're ok on them and any eyes you get would more then cover the costs? Instead you bitched about rules you didn't understand or just flat out ignored. They were not griefing you, they were competeing for drops. And no I won't complain about how stong jugs are, ever. If I want that 'power' I can lvl bst myself.

Whether you consider it an NM or not doesn't matter as it is a VERY unique mob either way. It is the *only* creature in this game that drops that one item. That alone makes it a mob worthy of being considered notorious. Not all NMs have to check ITG or pop every few hours. And no, this creature does not spawn in more then 5 places. The ones in Pxo ja or whatever are different, they do not drop the eyes. Only one way to get the eyes and that's with those 5 mobs. The fact that the GM jailed you for holding those 5 mobs is proof enough of their uniqunes.

And just for the record, your story has change repeatedly through out the topic. First you were farming a mob and another group stole them from you, which seems to be the only real truth. THEN you were 'exping' on ep mobs for 20-30 exp a kill. THEN you were charming these mobs to farm the VT undead down the hall. Does it really take 5 bsts with EP pets to take down T and VT undead? And then you decide to rest instead of releasing them and letting them die so new, fresh mobs could respawn without waiting for reward to be up again?

And please show me where I or anyone else 'praised' their behavior? I know I just explained their behavior and told you why they weren't jailed for it, but never once said it was a good thing and that others should do it. In fact I, as well as many other people who disagree with you, said they were being rude and that they were wrong to do it. If you are not going to read what people say then stop posting rebutals.

The pt never stopped the flow of the monster. They killed it as soon as they had claim. That's not slowing down game mechanics that's working within them. You knew the mechanics of charm and leave as well as competion in farming these rare monsters yet chose to disregard that knowledge and instead punish people who took advantage of your laziness. Proper game manners would have been them ignoring what you were fighting and letting you finish the mob off. Proper game manners would have been you using your jugs, you calling friends to help KILL the monsters or you just leaving to come back another day. But niether of you showed 'proper game manners', but only one of you broke the ToS.

Little hint, it wasn't them.

[Tomatoes]

Re: They threw me in jail!

You guys that are saying yellow is fair are way off-base. To think that way is totally clueless. It is not fair game, and little ninja was robbed. Open the blinders. SE made an imperfect game. The claim system is is one of those imperfections. Any GM with a grain of common sense and understanding of how this game is played would have done something about that first PT. (cue N.W.A...)

And this whole argument about whether Haku Hecteyes are pseudo-NM or not is pointless and irrelevant.

As far as I know, the claim patch was supposed to help HNM camps, not BST. I don't think it helped either though.

(Gman, if you read my post, I was talking about Blubber Eyes, not Thousand Eyes.)

[Omni]

Re: They threw me in jail!

No, people are allowed to fight for claims on mobs who's names are yellow. What part of that do YOU not get? No one said the party was right, or nice or even polite in what they did, all that was said was that the party DID NOT BREAK THE TOS.

Right, and by the same token, yellow is fair to charm then no? You're only applying the rule to what you want enforced and saying its illegal when someone else uses that rule.

So your likely answer will be, its not fair to hold. ok i follow you, but then so he's only allowed to charm that mob when no one is around? or when less than 6 people are around? or if 1 other person is around, he cant charm them then? This is where this shit hits the fan. The loose interpretaton of the TOS. What is the rule?

Yellow is fair, but only if you claim and not charm?
Yellow is far on pet swaps too but not if you steal on slept mobs?
Charming is ok only when it doesnt hurt others? or when the mob isnt valuable?
What is it?

Consistency please, I think thats what we all want.

You knew these mobs dropped a highly valuable item and knew that other people would more then willingly take them yet risked that fact because you didn't want to spend the gil.

what? you're saying that its wrong for him to not want to use CC on this mob, because, well.... 1, CC wont last long. 2, it would die before his next call beast timer was up and 3, he would end up dying.

Please ziero, stop. You have no clue on how bst works. not an inkling. You're just arguing with lil nin just to see who can get the 1up on who. Taking CC to one of these mobs would get you killed or close to it. It has NO relation to how much he wants to spend. He doesnt want to spend CC on this mob b/c its POINTLESS to use CC or any jug cuz it would die so fast. Jug pets are not as strong as charmed pets. Please understand this. Call beast timer isnt short either.

IF even all this is a point, its not your place to tell someone how to farm. The whole purpose of farming is to make money and/or save money no??? Why do you want to be spending more money than youre bringing in when you farm? Of course he doesnt want to use his HQ jug pets when theres better and stronger pets to charm. Who wouldnt?

[Mhurron]

Re: They threw me in jail!

Actually, nuke, sleep only loses hate after a long period of NO hate being added.
A bst, even with lots of pet hate and bst hate, no matter what will have their mob go yellow. It's systematic that the mob goes yellow after a release/fight exchange. so no its not his own fault that it went yellow.

It is because for one he knew it would happen and did not take steps to prevent it, and two thats the way the game works and he should be well aware of that by now.

You may have claim on one mob, the one you are fighting. The moment you attack another, the system waits for a brief moment, and when you do not continue to attack that mob it goes unclaimed. Charm is an attack. Your current pet dies, you attack another hoping that the attack is successful and you have that target under your control. However in that time, you may or may not loose claim on the other mob you were attacking. Thats not a glitch or bug and it effects everyone equally. Everyone should know that by now and if you were in a position where you might loose a claim while charming, well you should also be smart enough to take steps to prevent it from happening.

Right, and by the same token, yellow is fair to charm then no? You're only applying the rule to what you want enforced and saying its illegal when someone else uses that rule.

If you're going to say that calling your friends to charm and sit on a set of mobs until people you don't like take off then you also have to say that if I called a group of RDM to keep them slept without killing them until the OP left is just fine.

That he charmed a mob that was free is not the problem and is not why the GM took action against them. It was because he called his friends to charm them for the express purpose of preventing anyone else from getting the drop hoping to force them to leave because they hurt his feelings.

[Tomatoes]

Re: They threw me in jail!

I didn't really have anything more to add, but since you're addressing me directly I figure I better respond.

Well it wouldnt matter, i can get 5xp a mob, your free to xp how you wish and say "im meriting" a GM will have to prove im not just patient.

A 75 BRD trying to pass off 5xp per mob as "meritting." Yeah, I could try and prove that you're not just patient. Or we could just cut through the crap and acknowledge that you're not really meritting. Maybe you can try to convince your party that chain0 5xp kills = meritting the next time you're invited to meripo in Thickets. No reasonable person that is familiar with this game would believe you, yes?

No one ever asked... So i guess the real point is to have you ask finally after 3 pages of debate amazes me.

I didn't even look at the thread till it was already 3 pages. Are you suggesting it's not right for people to expect fuller disclosure, especially from somebody that has already admitted to doing similar things in the past? Although, I guess that's not really fair to bring in if you're not a regular reader on the BST forum. Suffice to say, this isn't the first time little ninja has resorted to his "tricks of the trade." Hence, my skepticism towards him.

Thank you for admitting the wrong on the OP in the first place.

Thank you for re-iterating somehing that should be pretty obvious? I already said that the PT was wrong in the first sentence of my first post in this thread. Seriously dude, find something better if you're so inclined to call me out, instead of this petty shit.

[little ninja]

Re: They threw me in jail!

Nope never once did i change my story on these forums. i said i was farming. what that means to you an i are different things i guess. farming for me intails 1. sellable drops. in this case is was the eyes two for ls mates an i profit the rest. 2. seal drops. yes i make a point to farm seals, how else do you make nice chunks of gil. an we all know i cant do this by killing worthwhile mobs. 3. i also use this as a way to make back death exp an cap back off my exp. because you do know people farm E.P for the decent exp they can give, for doing so little work. i know im not the only one. lastly to not be considered holding or anything against ToS we made it look like we were exping. Thousand eyes vs . Hati or Spar skeletons.so wed kill 1 or maybe 2, then chill til we had reward timer back up, an get off a few to get them back to health. in all seriousness, they are nasty pets strong to physical damage. an their AoE is sick, with 5 of them, you know one or 2 are bound to get off flare.

Honestly now, if yuo read your own posts you keep expalining to me how this party did nothing wrong, an how i did everything wrong. you claim its not harrassment, its not griefing, an the party did it all in good taste. an with good game manners. i just stated what happened, then asked why is this game based on a double standard.

Omni has a point. i made this point as well as others. yellow is fair game to swipe from em on a leave or pet swap. then yes it is fair game to charm. ToS doesnt say anything about not charming mobs who drop stuff. now does it, instead of arguing a point, base it with fact. i already based the fact i was being griefed an harrassed. i even gave definitions an meanings. Now support your claim with hard word for word proof for the ToS. otherwise go back to the Thf boards.

[Tomatoes]

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Consistency please, I think thats what we all want.

Please ziero, stop. You have no clue on how bst works. not an inkling. You're just arguing with lil nin just to see who can get the 1up on who. Taking CC to one of these mobs would get you killed or close to it. It has NO relation to how much he wants to spend. He doesnt want to spend CC on this mob b/c its POINTLESS to use CC or any jug cuz it would die so fast. Jug pets are not as strong as charmed pets. Please understand this. Call beast timer isnt short either.

Agreed. And I apologize to you Omni for reacting so rudely for calling out Ziero with the "moral nightstick" thing. I didn't realize he (and Kailea) were so... misinformed (trying to be polite here and not use a diff word...)

Double Post Edited:

You may have claim on one mob, the one you are fighting. The moment you attack another, the system waits for a brief moment, and when you do not continue to attack that mob it goes unclaimed. Charm is an attack. Your current pet dies, you attack another hoping that the attack is successful and you have that target under your control. However in that time, you may or may not loose claim on the other mob you were attacking. Thats not a glitch or bug and it effects everyone equally. Everyone should know that by now and if you were in a position where you might loose a claim while charming, well you should also be smart enough to take steps to prevent it from happening.

This is a good point. However, try to think about it this way. We all agree that you can only have claim on one monster at a time right? When you charm another monster, you effectively have 2 mobs on your hate list for a brief moment (i.e. not long enough for other people to attempt claim/steal, since Charm is virtually an instant ability). But when Charm successfully lands, your hate list should go back to only having a single mob (i.e. the original mob you were fighting. Thus imo, as a BST, you should retain claim (ideally). I would even go as far as to say that charming shouldn't generate hate. Only mischarming should, so on a successful charm, you should only have enmity one a single mob throughout.