They threw me in jail!

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: They threw me in jail!

Enough already. No need to continually antogonise him when it's obvious he made the post while he was upset. You aren't a moderator so if you see posts you don't like just steer clear of them and avoid the urge to use them as post-farming fodder. If the mods do have a problem with it I'm sure it'll be locked down in due course.

[Murphie]

Re: They threw me in jail!

We were having a conversation, and I was just responding to his posts. If that's against the rules, it's news to me.

If I'm doing something I shouldn't, as you said, a moderator will step in.

[Hamlet]

Re: They threw me in jail!

The difference is in the intent.

You can't prove intent (well, you can because the OP admitted it in this thread, but the GM can't). It seems the party was harassing him in a way, because they were stealing mobs he had fought for awhile on a regular basis, so he got some bsts to come down and try to drive them away, since he had no other way of fighting back.

The difference isn't intent, it's between stealing and holding. Apparently SE considers one bad and the other fine, even though both interefere with playing.

[Kailea]

Re: They threw me in jail!

next time call another GM, that oen seemed like he did not want to bother, when the GM you call does not help like they are suposted to, call another one, and make sure you explain it in a nice accurate way, so the GM would acualy care

[DakAttack]

Re: They threw me in jail!

I'll have to side with little ninja on this one. Liberal TOS interpretation does not a good enforcement make. The GM probably didn't know how to stop the party from stealing your monsters, or couldn't actually do anything except send them to jail.

I would have settled with that! Maybe a polite /tell asking them to stop first, and if they don't stop they've got a new camp in Mordion Gaol.

[Theyaden]

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Frankly I don't see how either set of actions was exactly stellar. I believe the point the op was origionally making (Other than blowing off steam) was he and the party performed the same action of actively working to wreck the competitions ability to use the zone, but he was the only one punished for it. On face value the way he described it both he and the party should have been in jail or neither one.
Depending on if the logs were read if he acknowledged when asking his friends to come over that they were to mess with a pt thats hassling him that might be why he ended up in the jail while the party only had to follow the pullers lead rather than stating it was to screw with the bst. (None of us but those involved would know for sure). If my suspicion on what those logs contained is true both were doing the same thing, but there is only admission from one party. (I realize this sucks)

Frankly what they did was extreamly obnoxious and rewarding such behavior increases the odds of it being used in the future. It is certainly easier for the harrased to leave, but it's also unreasonable to expect a person to become a walking doormat by doing so.
Best of luck may better adventures await.

[Murphie]

Re: They threw me in jail!

You can't prove intent (well, you can because the OP admitted it in this thread, but the GM can't). It seems the party was harassing him in a way, because they were stealing mobs he had fought for awhile on a regular basis, so he got some bsts to come down and try to drive them away, since he had no other way of fighting back.

The difference isn't intent, it's between stealing and holding. Apparently SE considers one bad and the other fine, even though both interefere with playing.

Oh absolutely. The party was definitely not in the right here either. But we don't have their side of the story. For whatever reason, the GM decided that what they were doing was ok. Stupid GM? Perhaps. That happens a lot.

The fact remains that after this conversation, the OP decided to stay there, and actively harass the party. At that point I lost any and all sympathy for him. It sucks that his exp was hampered by this party, but "getting back at them" isn't a very respectable way to handle things.

There are jerks all over this game. Heck, all over every MMO. Personally, I opt to just avoid folks like that, because there isn't anything that I can really do as a player to fix the situation. At best, I can make myself feel better, but that's not really always the right thing to do. I totally get that the OP wanted to blow off steam, and that's what this forum is here for to a certain extent. But people who read it are also allowed to weigh in on it.

[framerate]

Re: They threw me in jail!

Ninja, you did the right thing in a wrong way (if that makes sense). Meaning you were almost as guilty as they were.... but they deserved it.

I can't stand it when people are jackasses in the game and use the excuse "It's just a game, d00d."

GM's need to be able to enforce rules the same way. This "interpretation" of the ToS is crap.

[Spoony]

Re: They threw me in jail!

I do not see how he actively harrased the party. It's a dog eat dog world apparently, which I'm sure the party believed. They are not innocent here, and their intent was to get exp without caring about the other party, in this case a BST. No, that is not wrong accordingly to the rules, and I'm sure that we have all done it before when we were hungry for fast exp. It is however very rude, and I would do the exact same thing that Little Ninja did. Dog eat dog, six of them camp on you, so you grab a few buddies to camp on them. Again rude, but not at all against the rules.

The thing you have to know is that GMs are people that work for the rules too. They aren't people that make the rules, and thus know them 100%. As we all know, GMs can make huge errors in judgement, and this was clearly one of them. Rock on man, keep messing with parties that mess with you. ^^

[Rai]

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Murphie, you are totally and completely wrong! By your own argument of intent you prove yourself hypocritical, if a party is repeatedly taking Mobs a BST had gotten to 25% HP their intent was clear they were harassing the BST intentionally.

I lose any and all respect for people who chose to cut and run when they are being harassed and abused by others! People should stand up for themselves not only for themselves but for the next guy down the line who may get harassed or bullied by a party of jerks.

[Murphie]

Re: They threw me in jail!

Murphie, you are totally and completely wrong! By your own argument of intent you prove yourself hypocritical, if a party is repeatedly taking Mobs a BST had gotten to 25% HP their intent was clear they were harassing the BST intentionally.

Without hearing their side of it, we have no way of knowing that. But yeah, it's pretty crappy behavior, as I've said several times. But he wasn't any more right than they were. I don't think that's so unreasonable of me to say.

[Valarauko]

Re: They threw me in jail!

After reading this thread I have to comment. First off, I support what the OP did. seriously, that party deserved it and more. I also don't see how what he did was wrong at all. Next time I see a BST I should call a GM and say the BST is 'holding' then when the GM comes he is going to see a charmed mob.

I'm sorry, I didn't realizing using a job trait was against TOS. There is no real way to prove the OPs intent except to read his logs which probably said something like'come help me ruin this party' haha. So the GM was stupid and probably checked his logs but not the previous GM conversation. Whatever it was, I don't care, the OP was right in fighting back. I would've gladly taken a small suspension for that.

On the other hand. What the party did was wrong, but not punishable by SE. They took unclaimed mobs. It sucks that when BST solo their mob has to go unclaimed at times and stupid parties go and take advantage of that, and the fact that its a loop hole on the ToS is just stupid.

/cheer OP

it's times like those that MPK needs to be allowed.

[forster]

Re: They threw me in jail!

Wrongly, one of the common trends in these types of threads you hear the line 'Well BSTs can level anywhere, if they dont like it they can go somewhere else'.

I wouldnt condone what the OP did, nor the party, I personally wouldnt do either of those things but still, idiots are everywhere.

[Palom]

Re: They threw me in jail!

Sounds like you need to take these guys to Vana'diel Court Little Ninja

[Magnus V.]

Re: They threw me in jail!

If Little Ninja hadent called a GM on the subject and did what he did then i can see it as harrassment, but seeing how he did call and got no justice... he was only defending himself...

Most will reply with walk away (first wheres the fun in that) but you cant, if you do thats just telling the party next time a BST is in an xp/farm area just steal his claim and hell leave..

As for calling in reinforcements... this is not against TOS, Unless the party moves and BST follow.. just because the bst are stationary and are charming the mobs the party wants is not grounds for jail. the party can easily move to another spot that has those mobs..

As far as what he said to his friends being the reason for suspension i guess would depend on what he said.

"Holding" would be not doing anything with the mobs which would be harrassment but 6 bst charming 6/8 mobs and killing 2 is far from wrong...

The party was more in the wrong than the BST, but guess SE sees it differently..

Party - was using a dirty trick to claim BST Mob... if they hadent all would be good.. -GM did nothing- "Mob was yellow, fair game"

BST - Charmed Mobs to fight (Yellow mob.. supposed to be fair game), far from harrassment. If party didnt like it they could move..


If this is a jailable offence ill never play my BRD in a TP Burn again.. I pull multiple mobs and sleep them at party, gives me a chance to buff... this is "Holding" Guess next time i do im going to jail?

In closing even if this is a bad call on the GM's part this sends a very bad message to those of us who would rely on a GM to help us. Perhaps the GM you got was a BST Hater!...

-On another Note.. If im Xping and a party grabs my pet mobs(being Dc-EM) to try and force me to die or leave wouldnt this be holding/harrassment?