Endgame Bst

[Khidir]

What can bst do at endgame I mean like at gods and exp pts do they have any individual traits that makes them very valuable at endgame like getting intimidation gear and tanking gods or something or are they stereotyped as a regular dd?

[neighbortaru]

Re: Endgame Bst

not endgame (not even close) but from speaking to a buncha my old pals, BST is mostly DD, link control and claim keeping.

Double Post Edited:
here's a post on KI that asks basically the same question: http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=100426

[Khidir]

Re: Endgame Bst

Bst need stronger pets and higher numbers i like that point system that they talked about thanks for showing me that taru ill share it with a growing hmls a friend of mine has it will take care of kirin osode drops

[Aeni]

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Bst need stronger pets and higher numbers i like that point system that they talked about thanks for showing me that taru ill share it with a growing hmls a friend of mine has it will take care of kirin osode drops

BSTs can fight NMs, like Bune, for example. Just require a team of BSTs that know what they're doing (They better be if they're level 75 ...) However, it is difficult for a BST or a team to operate in zones where there aren't enough "strong" pets to assist them.

As for most HNMs, BSTs are usually desired to handle adds and act as backup healers (Sub WHM preeze) not as DD. I don't want people to kid themselves thinking that subbing NIN will automatically make a BST a strong DD. It won't.

[Khidir]

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Why back up heal isnt full att gear as equal as drk war sam etc and a war sub better or does it depend on teh nm or the situation or fighting strategem?

[Gman]

Re: Endgame Bst

For Gods like Kirin, the most effective use for a BST is to sub SAM and meditate to 300TP with sword in hand, enter alliance, Spirits within on Kirin, disband, repeat.

Honestly, that is probably the most useful a BST will get unless your endgame shell is hurting for DD's, in which case BST/WAR is probably next best, followed by BST/NIN.

BST/WHM is ok if you are fighting Byakko or Seiryu, and you are helping with Paralyna, but other than that, it's not too usefull. Panzer Gallad can do 40-80 dmg on sky gods -when- he connects, so having a pet helps, but you can't paralyna your pet, so sometimes they are useless.

Unfortunately, I'll probably never see those fights as BST, since I have RDM to 75.

[Raid]

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Seriously lol!

I guess alot of people see the position of BST in different lights. Its not that BST`s arent effective its just that what I come to call (Regular) jobs doesnt know how to utilize us. Take a 75 BST and 75 any other job to a place with lv50 mobs, have the opposing person use whatever gear he feels makes him strongest. Now Spawn courrier carrie start hitting on something. Courrier carrie will average 200 - 350 dmg pet hit + your 80 - 100 dmg x2

Thats 200 - 350 dmg a tick for your pet and 80 - 200 dmg per 1.5 tick for you.

That is 280 - 550 dmg per tick hit.


I still stand firm on this and allways will, there has even been tests to see the average DMG between BST and RNG when RNG wasnt gimped and BST with his pet still outdamaged a RNG. A static I was in has me and another BST along with SMN, NIN and BLM at lv 71 fighting Dhalmels in Bibiki, 2 players DC`ed NIN and BLM. Now in a regular party without a tank they would probably be wiped, when they got back we had chained 3 mobs.


BST isnt only a DD its one of the most effective DD`s in this game. If the BST knows what hes doing he can outdamage anyone in your party.

2 BST can take down NM`s that requiers up to 6 lv75 regular jobs. Its not that we are useless, were just not understood. If you believe that BST is a crappy DD job you havent met any good bsts, if you have a BST at 75 and still thinks its crappy DD job then you arent a good BST.

[TheGrandMom]

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Beastmasters are AWESOME in endgame. I know my ls wishes they had more of them. FYI we never use our bsts as backup healers. Of course, they are welcome to throw out a cure here and there when needed but never put in the position where they are absolutely needed for that.

[Aeni]

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Seriously lol!

I guess alot of people see the position of BST in different lights. Its not that BST`s arent effective its just that what I come to call (Regular) jobs doesnt know how to utilize us. Take a 75 BST and 75 any other job to a place with lv50 mobs, have the opposing person use whatever gear he feels makes him strongest. Now Spawn courrier carrie start hitting on something. Courrier carrie will average 200 - 350 dmg pet hit + your 80 - 100 dmg x2

Thats 200 - 350 dmg a tick for your pet and 80 - 200 dmg per 1.5 tick for you.

That is 280 - 550 dmg per tick hit.


I still stand firm on this and allways will, there has even been tests to see the average DMG between BST and RNG when RNG wasnt gimped and BST with his pet still outdamaged a RNG. A static I was in has me and another BST along with SMN, NIN and BLM at lv 71 fighting Dhalmels in Bibiki, 2 players DC`ed NIN and BLM. Now in a regular party without a tank they would probably be wiped, when they got back we had chained 3 mobs.


BST isnt only a DD its one of the most effective DD`s in this game. If the BST knows what hes doing he can outdamage anyone in your party.

2 BST can take down NM`s that requiers up to 6 lv75 regular jobs. Its not that we are useless, were just not understood. If you believe that BST is a crappy DD job you havent met any good bsts, if you have a BST at 75 and still thinks its crappy DD job then you arent a good BST.

I never did say that BSTs were useless or were not good DDs. But, I think the question centered around endgame, not exp. Big difference here.

This is also where the HQ pet comes into question. Exactly how well do these pets perform on HNMs to justify the amount of TP you're giving to those monsters? Those kinds of questions were needed to be addressed. No one doubts BSTs DD effectiveness in normal NMs as well as exp. I had partied with several BSTs before, mostly in parties *I* created and have no complaints about their performance.

[Khidir]

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The question is centered around endgame but bst in exp is quite good since they are good pullers

[little ninja]

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I never did say that BSTs were useless or were not good DDs. But, I think the question centered around endgame, not exp. Big difference here.

This is also where the HQ pet comes into question. Exactly how well do these pets perform on HNMs to justify the amount of TP you're giving to those monsters? Those kinds of questions were needed to be addressed. No one doubts BSTs DD effectiveness in normal NMs as well as exp. I had partied with several BSTs before, mostly in parties *I* created and have no complaints about their performance.

well in dynamis jeuno my C.C was doing between 40-80 a swing. sometimes C.C would hit 2 times. so your looking at 80-160an attack round. added to my 40-80 a swing. thats another 80-160 an attack round. so combine we pull in anywhere between 0-320 every attack cycle. thats not including critical hits, or ws. as for sky, i wont be able to give any logs til we pick it up again in a few weeks

as for monster an tp. if theres one thing i have learned, its that mob has 100 tp whenever they want it. nothing like me going for the final swing for full exp, an the mob pulls off 2 heeling breezes back to back. with them not landing a hit, an me landing only 1 hit in between. so i dont see that as any differnce then a drg having their wyvern out.

but i will have to agree with the other poster. nobody really knows what a bst is capable of. i seen it in sky, as well as in dynamis. so far ive gone to sky with a whm sub, sam, nin, war, drk. an peeps thought i was crazy, but i seem to fill a role an help out a great deal.

[Khidir]

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I think we could do more if we had access to uncapped jugs and different monsters as well and making the philosophers stone easier to access

[bikkebakke]

Re: Endgame Bst

Courier Carrier, Homunculus, Lifedrinker Lars, Chopsuey Chucky, Panzer Galahad, and Amigo Sabotender all cap at 75.

[Khidir]

Re: Endgame Bst

Courier Carrier, Homunculus, Lifedrinker Lars, Chopsuey Chucky, Panzer Galahad, and Amigo Sabotender all cap at 75.

Sry im never clear i meant that we need more lv 75 cap jugs, the only way to get all of these beast is to be fortunate that jueno ah has them esp homunculus or be a hi lv cook. Some of the stuff like philosopher's stone isn't easy to get hence its 250k a piece on my server

[little ninja]

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Courier Carrier, Homunculus, Lifedrinker Lars, Chopsuey Chucky, Panzer Galahad, and Amigo Sabotender all cap at 75.

lol you aint playing bst right if you havent pulled out Homunculus to get 2 shoted an die.... since they are HQ jugs id like to see them stay out longer then 30 mins. an if they cap at 75, then as a 75 bst they should always come out at 75 cause i know there has been times when i pulled out another C.C ,an it royally sucked compared to the last one i brang out.