BST /anon

[Miburo]

Re: BST /anon

Gotta disagree with you, Xor. If people are /anon I assume they want to be left alone. I'm not going to /tell every anon person in the zone to make sure they're not a bst.

If you're exping as a Bst and I check the area before I travel there and after I get there (just incase someone was en route when I checked earlier), and I get to camp and some anon Bst is there; he's getting camped on.

I'm not wasting my time traveling out into the middle of no where just to have to turn back because someone can't be bothered to respond to a random tell they might recieve while exping. (or whatever equally lame excuse they'll use for being /anon)

I know I sound harsh, and I normally let a lot slide when it comes to this kind of stuff. I guess I just expect a bit more respect from my fellow Beastmasters.

[Xorlarrin]

Re: BST /anon

I get to camp and some anon Bst is there; he's getting camped on.

LOL Have fun with that because we all know 2 wrongs make a right.

You think they are in the wrong for not playing how you want them to so you show them by being a jerk and camping on top of them to show your a bigger person.

[Miburo]

Re: BST /anon

LOL Have fun with that because we all know 2 wrongs make a right.

You think they are in the wrong for not playing how you want them to so you show them by being a jerk and camping on top of them to show your a bigger person.

Heh, I honestly fail to see how I'd be the "jerk" on that one. He chose to go /anon without taking into account the time I'd be wasting traveling to some remote location to exp (Choosing that particular location based on searches I did of the area out of consideration for my fellow players). And then instead of wasting a warp item, more time, and more traveling expenses due to this person's inconsideration; I just stay where I am and exp as I planned to do based on the information that was avalible to me. (Not out of spite, I'm just not going to change my plans after going all the way out to camp. Don't make flawed assumptions about my intentions, and then call me a jerk)

If you go /anon without a search comment and someone comes to the camp you're at, then that's too bad. You showed absolutely zero consideration for the guy that traveled there, don't expect them to just go "Oh well" and warp away and waste their time checking other places. Don't expect them to show you any respect when you couldn't do the same for them.

[Sigmara]

Re: BST /anon

Never said I was not screwing myself by beeing to lazzy. I'm not complainning about that. Anyway show me a BST that never screwed himself.

It s not because they pay for this game that they can be rude, ruin others peoples fun/times ... You know what ? I pay to.

On a side note : /anon peoples tend to dont answer to me. Maybe they put /anon to be left alone no ? And about them "still winning" ... when I met a jerk I either ignore him or get fun from him so I don't think he is "winning" anything.

[samarium]

Re: BST /anon

Heh, I honestly fail to see how I'd be the "jerk" on that one. He chose to go /anon without taking into account the time I'd be wasting traveling to some remote location to exp (Choosing that particular location based on searches I did of the area out of consideration for my fellow players). And then instead of wasting a warp item, more time, and more traveling expenses due to this person's inconsideration; I just stay where I am and exp as I planned to do based on the information that was avalible to me. (Not out of spite, I'm just not going to change my plans after going all the way out to camp. Don't make flawed assumptions about my intentions, and then call me a jerk)

If you go /anon without a search comment and someone comes to the camp you're at, then that's too bad. You showed absolutely zero consideration for the guy that traveled there, don't expect them to just go "Oh well" and warp away and waste their time checking other places. Don't expect them to show you any respect when you couldn't do the same for them.

Professional courtesy! It's more important than ever since the pet despawn patch, bst can't grab two pets and haul them to a camp anymore.

There's no reason to go /anon as bst - it's not like people are clamoring for your attention all the time (whm), and nobody gives a damn about you unless you're in the same camp as them, in which case anon won't help you anyway. Blue pet names are kind of a dead giveaway.

The only thing an anonymous bst can achieve is causing trouble for other bst.

-sam

[Xorlarrin]

Re: BST /anon

FACT: People are annoying... I have got random people sending me /t's asking me to do bcnm with them. Partys asking for help with Promys. Partys asking me for raises. Partys asking me if I will help them if they get link. People asking me to pull a mob away from coffers.

There's no reason to go /anon as bst - it's not like people are clamoring for your attention all the time (whm), and nobody gives a damn about you unless you're in the same camp as them, in which case anon won't help you anyway.

Maybe I am just more popular then you or something but I get this all the time. [See first quote] In fact not less then 30mins ago I was in Bostaunieux Oubliette. I was camped @ side tunnel near exit when Exp party @ zone started asking me for a raise. Also, twice yesterday I was /t'ed by 2 other bsts who I do not know asking me to do BCNM. Late lastnight same thing, I was in Beadeaux and I got a /t from someone in Jeuno asking me to raise a friend they have that died there.

Nothing you can do about people going /anon. No matter how much you think its wrong. Its not going to change. Just accept it.

If you check zone and you see people anon and they are not in a pt msg them just (Beastmaster)?. Ya they can not respond but, at least your tried. THAT is all you can do. Its not going to change. Just accept it.

You do not bother to check area or /t the anon you go to a camp and there is an /anon bst there. Have fun tring to camp on top of them. Have fun fighting over mobs. Have fun waiting for repops. Have fun getting slow exp. I hope the frustration is worth it.

Professional courtesy!

Um... What professional courtesy??? I see bsts get killed and other bsts just walk over the bodys and not help try to save them from getting killed or raise them ALOT.(Yet I see exp pts all the time voke a link off another pt) I get bsts who do not bother to check area at all and pop up at my camp and start exping. I see bsts all the time farming that do not allow anyone else to get the mobs. When others are tring to get items because they need them, not to sell. (O-hat eyes for example. I helped a friend get them as 75rdm. Bst in Ifrit's Cauldron wearing an o-hat was farming eyes and we asked him to please leave one of the pop locations for us because we needed eye. He wouldn't...)

Bst has a bad rep and its well earned. Instead of whining about something you can not control or change (people going /anon) why not try to improve those items listed above.... Things you can actually help to change.

[samarium]

Re: BST /anon

Maybe I am just more popular then you or something but I get this all the time.

I'm hurt.

Um... What professional courtesy??? I see bsts get killed and other bsts just walk over the bodys and not help try to save them from getting killed or raise them ALOT.(Yet I see exp pts all the time voke a link off another pt)

So maybe you're more of a than me and you just let people lie there dead, but I help people out every chance I get.

How about instead of derailing the thread with quasi-flames, you interject your opinion quietly and professionally?

-sam

[Xorlarrin]

Re: BST /anon

So maybe you're more of a than me and you just let people lie there dead, but I help people out every chance I get.

Um.. If I see bsts gets killed then, I can't be that bst or I would have said I get killed. I was talking about being another job in an exp pt and seeing the actions of other bsts. Personally if I am bst and in an area I fear death I RR.

How about instead of derailing the thread with quasi-flames, you interject your opinion quietly and professionally?

I did that and replied to your comments. That is how a forum works.

[Harrison]

Re: BST /anon

Bst has a bad rep and its well earned.

Well maybe you've helped earn that rep, but overall BST have an extremely good rep amongst themselves. I don't care a bit if normal players are /anon or not, but if you are a BST that goes /anon while exping in known BST exp camps, you are either forgetful, or a jerk. It's been well known for a LONG time that /anon BST exping is rude, period.

I also have a hard time believing you are so bothered with /tells. BST is one of the least bothered jobs by random people in the game. The only /tells I have ever received from total strangers was help with a BCNM and a raise request here and there, but nothing that is ever "bothersome".

Your examples have nothing to do with BST specifically. I had a similar experience when I was trying to farm an eye in IC for my O-hat and a 75 NIN wearing an O-hat was killing all the mobs himself. What about the fuckstick NIN's and THF's who killed my bat pets for the 1/10000 chance at dragon blood when all I asked was they leave me two specific bats and the rest of the area was theirs to kill?

What's not going to change is that pretty much most of the Beastmaster community considers exping /anon rude, ACCEPT IT.

I fully understand why people go /anon and they have FULL RIGHT to go anon reguardless of your "opinions". They bought this game and pay the monthy charge just like you do.

..and I have FULL RIGHT to kill mobs in their camp since they decided to waste my time by not indicating the camp was taken simply by not being /anon. I bought this game and pay the montly charge just like they do.

[little ninja]

Re: BST /anon

This topic comes up on every BST forum, every couple of months. I have said what every other person has said on here. I play BST or /BST because I have very little time to lfp and deal with getting on only for it to disband minutes later. Following that logic, when I go out to solo, I do a /sea area to see if I can exp there efficiently with the number of BSTs my lvl in camp. If you have /anon on, I think nobody is there at the BST camp, and I probably spend 20 minutes or so getting to camp only to find it taken by an /anon BST. What I learned early on was that some of these people actually use their /sea comments to tell location and pets/prey. If you must /anon, PLEASE be respectful and put up a search comment. Otherwise you are wasting my time and being disrespectful to the rest of the BST in your community.

I am currently lvling Ninja/BST and since most people playing BST won't notice I am playing Ninja BST style, I put a comment up so they know what I am doing and that I am in their camp. Saves a lot of time and people appreciate that, I promise.

perfectly said. now we need this stickied to avoid another post like this, lol

[Xorlarrin]

Re: BST /anon

Ya I am done with this topic. I have only seen 3 people suggest things to make it better the rest of them only want to complain.

If you think a bst is wrong for going anon and you want to teach them a lesson by camping on top of them , hey its your time and energy to waste when you could be exping or idk maybe having fun.

I am leveling bst because its fun and I love it so much. Stuff like that is just not worth my time.

[Silenus]

Re: BST /anon

I say we all do something ourselves each time we can to improve the BST mentality in the game across all servers.

Stop fishing at Secret Beach and raise a newb at the Konschat zone because he was smart enough to ask you to.

Charm a goblin running after somebody and bind him up for a few seconds...then kill him...I mean, why not? It's a goblin...not like the FBI's gonna come after you or anything >.>

Charm a link offa some rude pt that camped on top of you.

Raise the rude WHM who insisted they had more of a right to camp there than you do.

Solo G1 for people if you can...and then for their friends...

Get people their airship pass. And not just LS members. Spread some cheer in BST AF with fireworks!

When I see a sticky in the BST Forum here that basically starts out "We all know Beastmaster is one of the most unpopular jobs in FFXI" or something like that, I just go >.<

Then I log in and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

[hanimmal]

Re: BST /anon

As far as you being more popular that is a joke.

If your getting tells all the time that it would make you want to go /anon then I would wager that it wouldnt do any good since the people sending the tells are likely friends or LS mates. Also when random ppl die and ask for a raise you can just go about your business and ignore the tell or say your busy sorry. Them eating the tops 500 exp they would have kept from your R1 isnt that big of a deal.

I usually try to let people in on the /anon thing being rude and then go about my business. It is rude that tehy go /anaon because

# ill-mannered: socially incorrect in behavior; "resentment flared at such an unmannered intrusion"

Even if they didnt realize that it is rude, doesnt change that it is. For years now the BST community has defined being /anon incorrect social behavior.

Now as far as the dude going all afk on you, how much of that is your perception?

If the guy was pissed and decided that he was going about his own business of exping dropping pets like he normally would. He may have not been trying to kill you just sending a stern messege to not get in his way since he isnt concerned about your space.

He isnt right, but your not smelling like roses either.

Just curious why people that say that people should be able to do there own thing and go anon because it is there decision would care if others are making a statement that they are upset about it.

[little ninja]

Re: BST /anon

Ya I am done with this topic. I have only seen 3 people suggest things to make it better the rest of them only want to complain.

If you think a bst is wrong for going anon and you want to teach them a lesson by camping on top of them , hey its your time and energy to waste when you could be exping or idk maybe having fun.

I am leveling bst because its fun and I love it so much. Stuff like that is just not worth my time.

Thank you Thank you very much.

[FoxFire]

Re: BST /anon

Ok, I can't keep quite on this any more.

Xorlarrin you are 100% right.

All you have to do is read over these posts to see that bad rep come though that bsts have earned. I have leveled 4 jobs to 75 and been playing for over 3 years. I have seen several bsts pop up where exp partys were and start stealing beasts, bsts drop pets on exp partys, bsts, several times I have seen one bst step over the body of another dead bst and take there camp. Even now with most of the mpk probs fixed I still see bsts in GC drop pets right next to partys were they are not far enough outside the pop range. Do they care or say they are sorry that they did this. No.

Now, I see bsts being petty and childish makeing personal attacks against you when you have said you do not even go anon. Just because you said the truth that there isn't shite they can do about it except be part of the problem by being an ass to other bsts or to try and make it better. By making sure you check an area before you take off anywhere. People seem damn arrogant. They expect others to make sure to do things to make things easyer for them as long as it takes no effort on there part.

Beastmaster Communities?!?!?! WTH are you talking about? Unless your letting every level 1 bst join your ls your talking out your ass. My bst was level 42 before I even found a bst LS that had more then 2 other bsts on it that had any idea what they were doing anymore then me, and at no time what so ever did anyone said anything about anon bst being a good or bad thing. So to sugest that all bst know its rude or have any idea what other bsts think about it is a flat out joke. Not all bsts join bst ls or read these forums to learn these things. Just because you do not like it does not make it the word of god shouted down from the heavens. Such arrogance.

I myself am now level 72 bst and I go anon all the time. NOT ONCE has anyone said one word to me about it being rude or whatever. (Ok, maybe jp players could have but I never understood them) Nor am I the only one in my ls that goes anon all the time and from talking with them after reading these posts they think nothing is wrong with it too. At some point you learn to not fret over these things and all the childish people who get upset over such things. I am so waiting for someone to have the nerve to dare reply and say someone had to have told me.

I go camp a few NM now and then and when I do I see a few JP bst camped at them too. They are also anon. Two of them I have duo'ed with a few times. They are always anon, not just when NM camping. I wonder if they know how evil and rude they are being.

One thing you all seem to gloss over is it does not matter even if all bst never used anon. You still got 17 other jobs that go anon and that can and do solo in every zone. You can still head out to a bst camp and find a Nin there, a pld with a npc, a sum, and so on. Each and everyone of them anon. Even full exp partys that now use bst camp sites because they know what a good camp it is.

Well, I have read and summerly dismissed most of your opinions. Please feel free to do the same with mine. However, if the best you got is to make a personal attack against me go for it. I will be ROTFLMAO , because I love to be proven right.






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