That's all folks

[Hyrist]

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Opinions of some BSTs wont changes. Though others are already changing, I've already provided sufficent evidence to that account. This "One mans opinion" Was supported by several bsts on my server, and in almost every exp party I have seen lately, there has 1 bst in my or in a neighboring party (And no they wernt the same person).

The trends are already changing, albid slowly. We can argue opinions and desires till the end of all things, but quite simply, its the expirences in game that matters.

I'm just trying to tell people that its not hopeless after all.

[aegina]

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i think it really sucks that se seems soooooo adamant to not let us have even ONE solo job. would ONE fully soloable job ruin the game, se? would it?

what is it with this game and all this overexaggerated forced partying? i like forced partying, i actually do, but this is too much of it...

[little ninja]

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Opinions of some BSTs wont changes. Though others are already changing, I've already provided sufficent evidence to that account. This "One mans opinion" Was supported by several bsts on my server, and in almost every exp party I have seen lately, there has 1 bst in my or in a neighboring party (And no they wernt the same person).

The trends are already changing, albid slowly. We can argue opinions and desires till the end of all things, but quite simply, its the expirences in game that matters.

I'm just trying to tell people that its not hopeless after all.

well like i said, that data log is useless in the grand scheme of things. its like i stated in my past post. there is no way that C.C can do that kind of damage with that much acc at lower lvls. why not post a lvl 50 bsts C.C against robber crabs lvl 60-68. because only endgamers will lvl on mobs tough to Vt for the chains. early on its It+++++++ mobs, thus a very big differnce.

an big deal you seen a few bst in pts. ive seen them. truth is they lvl in parties for the simple fact that they absolutely suck at solo play. an pissed about how thye wasted an hour exping just to die an lose it an then some. while others do it every so often because their are bst lvls that are impossible to solo.

your right things are changing. more an more jugburns are happening. bsts going to well known exp areas to exp an ruin any others parties chance for decent exp. bsts are up an quitting, while others have gone back to the jobs they were playing before.

it is hopeless for none, but for all. now DD have another party job to compete with for 1 of 3 spots. exp pts are suffering do to mobs despawning on them, bst massacring whole zones. players who dont care about aggro, now aggro whole zones, an others are forced to wait for repops. "not hopeless"? i beg to differ.

[Hyrist]

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Its clear to me that there is nothing I can say to diswade your negetivity, and its meritied, your job has been forced to change, its no longer the grand soloing master that it was througout the games history.

No amount of real evidence, even screenshots, would convince people who are determined to be bitter, and that is the best word to sum up the bst population. Bitter.

Your right about the compition for Damage Dealing jobs. Guess what? Its going to get even worse with the releace of ToA, because it will interduce even more damage dealing classes (at the very least, one more) to the field. The same will be done for support classes, if SE has any brains left.

However, I'm still going to wait paitently. (I'm even planning on leveling BST after newyears, just because I want to explore the changes.) SE has encouraged in the past few updates more soloing amoung other classes (Though for the most part its been ignored.) and I honestly beleive they will continue to do so. So hopefully, in time, there will be more than 'just one' soloing job. With this in mind (that of other classes joining the soloing field) wouldent it be more prudent of SE to balance the exp gain? From one perspective, BSTs could have be conistered overpowered in the aspect of soloing. Who knows whats going in SE's head?

Anyways, I hope there is an update that will appease Bsts, but also make soloing more available for all other classes as well. I really tire of all the negetivity surrounding every update, no matter how big or small the negetive impact is.

[aegina]

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good post, and i agree completely.

i took up ranger BECAUSE of the change a few months ago. it made the job sound more interesting, and it has been.

bsts can still solo. just keep an xp ring active, and don't release your pet. it'll still work out ok. if you wish to say it can't, fine. i don't want to argue anymore. this "nerf" was not intended towards the bst's soloability, but se has stated on many occasions that they plan to make soloing more available for all jobs soon.

while i think this patch was poorly presented and implemented, i think we've all complained enough. it's time to just go back to playing the game, and see what se is going to do next.

and that's all i'm going to say on this thread.

[Evengelion]

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Just back from Xmas,
Merry Xmas to all of you.

First of all Hyrist, You talk about negetivity, well to me it seems u have alot of negetivity to those posting their opionion here and saying we can't stick up to change.
Well sorry to burst your bubble but it seem we Bst are Changing and we have been arguing about is not about us changing but IS this Change good? Bsts Change by changing jobs Quiting, form jugburns etc we are changing/adapting just how does this affect EVERYONE

From a normal job perspective 1 DD spot is +1, Xp Spot is a -1 (due to jugburn).

From a average time player perspective now i have less spots to level meaning i have to spend more time leveling and seeking for pt.

From a Bst stand point ok so we get 1k/hr apposed to 3k/hr in most situations hmm we need to find a way to adapt wow jugburn rocks soooo much y not we xp the way we xp other jobs

in the end it is not just us that suffers it is everyone cos we need to adapt that is y i find it is not just a smalll setback it is revolutionary change
The arguement was initially was if this change is it good at all?
We are not taking a punch at other jobs nerf but no job had it play style totally shafted before, check most of the forums, people are voicing out the new ways of leveling like jugburn etc and how are the community taking it? they are complaining we "Invading their XP Spot" we are like Wtf now we are pt of 6bst instead of 1 and people are still complaining and when we were soloing in places no one goes everything is peaceful.

The Question is Still Is this change Good at all? Answer is soooo obvious issin't it?

[Lmnop]

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what?

[Kazoo]

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Well I read some of this and then came back, read the rest. I logged on today for first time in weeks (can't log on much cause of job), but just going to say that it's not that bad, for me it hasn't changed a bit i exp.. fine for a few hours, i've played 100% solo and it's funny to see these posts about bst's having problems all over the net. I change my style all the time and it was easy to get this "how it is" to my advantage. All have to say is there's always a way to get through things and also don't always do what people say, "Check it out for yourself" all can say, have a good one

[Sevv]

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OK i hope by now i joined in here late but bst is still a solo job. it is very simple just adapt to despawns, put a little effort into knowning the radius of mobs and if you have to take a beast across lvl dont release it simple huh. And bst at the beging complaining that they couldnt solo, one thing people i can solo as drg/whm i bet bst can still solo >.< check the update before you bitch and say thats it an update comes out in like 2 weeks im quiting my job ..

[Karinya]

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Impressive parse numbers for a freakin' CRAB. I wonder what a DD pet could have put up. And the BST by himself was outdamaging some DDs, too. Axes are more dangerous than a lot of people give them credit for.

Of course, the last thing we needed was another DD, even if it had been there all along, but we'll have to see what TAU does to the job balance. If there's 3-4 new jobs, most of them popular, none of them DD focused... could we actually see the end of the DD glut? (At the first sign of easier pt finding for DDs, everyone who delayed working on a DD because of the long seek times would rush in... Unless they were all busy with TAU new jobs, maybe.)

[WishMaster3K]

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I was in The Shrine of RuAv and i realize what we need isn't more jobs, we need MORE FUCKING AREAS TO EXP.

With the influx of DD pts, 2 pts in the center of Deco Spaws isn't happening. had 6pts in Sky last night. 3 in RoMaeve, FOUR in Kuftal. It was outrageous.

It's hard enough forming a pt, then you gotta find somewhere to camp.

What's awsome is that not everyone has Lufaise Meadows, or not everyone has Sky, or not everyone has Tel-Vahzl so that we can go to stupid ass Ullegard Range.

We need a bigger variety of things to do with the larger number of people hitting 75 and wanting to do more. There are a ton of things to do end-game in FFXI, after you hit 75, you're only halfway. That's when the exp grind halts and the goodies roll in.

We're limited to the mob levels that we fight, the mob spawns, the amount of mobs, and the amount of areas. That's my take on things.

[little ninja]

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I was in The Shrine of RuAv and i realize what we need isn't more jobs, we need MORE FUCKING AREAS TO EXP.

With the influx of DD pts, 2 pts in the center of Deco Spaws isn't happening. had 6pts in Sky last night. 3 in RoMaeve, FOUR in Kuftal. It was outrageous.

It's hard enough forming a pt, then you gotta find somewhere to camp.

What's awsome is that not everyone has Lufaise Meadows, or not everyone has Sky, or not everyone has Tel-Vahzl so that we can go to stupid ass Ullegard Range.

We need a bigger variety of things to do with the larger number of people hitting 75 and wanting to do more. There are a ton of things to do end-game in FFXI, after you hit 75, you're only halfway. That's when the exp grind halts and the goodies roll in.

We're limited to the mob levels that we fight, the mob spawns, the amount of mobs, and the amount of areas. That's my take on things.

lol yup, an to think S.E crippled us so bad that we lost some of our camps that normal pts would not dare to enter, thus forcing us to exp in the normal party areas. an looking back on CoP areas, how many of those are great for those last 3 lvls. infact mst of the CoP areas nobody really lvls in. ATTOWA CHASM, OLDTON/NEWTON, CARPENTERS LANDING. an alot of other places that i cant think of.

[Sevv]

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ya they crippled you so bad that u can release a pet and let it get full health awww ppl not even here mainly n my server spend more time bitching about it then putting time into knowing the areas so you can notice the diff adapt and still solo i know beasts who have not lost more than 100exp and hour still pulling big chains and camping the same areas because the decided that the update helped people getting mpked and instead of crying about it leaving the job just put in a little effort learned some of the areas of their pets (surprising you wouldnt know somewhat of the area seeing you use them alot) and still are able to solo just as well.

And on the sitting in a town seeking thats plain stupidity. Only high invites jobs actaully sit in a town waiting on an invite, if i am seeking as drg because i dont want to form a pt, i go out and ethier farm solo or craft anyone who just sits there waiting on an invite is to hopeful or stupid.

If anyone has seen the mpks and think about it SE has done a wonderful thing i have been taking a break from drg to get all other jobs to 35 i have spent alot of time in the dunes which use to have many mpks like 1-3 and hour i have seen only one but it was because of someone pulling one mob off a train as the kid died so his whole pt got wiped out.

[Atma]

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If anyone has seen the mpks and think about it SE has done a wonderful thing i have been taking a break from drg to get all other jobs to 35 i have spent alot of time in the dunes which use to have many mpks like 1-3 and hour i have seen only one but it was because of someone pulling one mob off a train as the kid died so his whole pt got wiped out.

You got MPK'd 1-3 times an hour? I find that hard to believe. Either you're severely exaggerating, the people on your server are jerks, or you're going out of your way to intentionally piss people off.

[Omni]

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OK i hope by now i joined in here late but bst is still a solo job. it is very simple just adapt to despawns, put a little effort into knowning the radius of mobs and if you have to take a beast across lvl dont release it simple huh. And bst at the beging complaining that they couldnt solo, one thing people i can solo as drg/whm i bet bst can still solo >.< check the update before you bitch and say thats it an update comes out in like 2 weeks im quiting my job ..

this only works in a tight area like gustav. but if you are grinding out through a particular lvl range where the area is wide and decent pets are spread apart, it makes it very difficult and dangerous. i struggle making chain 1 or 2 in altepa right now. if you want to bring up the whole jug pet issue, let me stop you first b/c jug pets cannot hold their own too long against a T-VT mob, in addition, its a 5min recast.