That's all folks

[Balfree]

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Yea you dont release the pet just so it can recharge, you also release so you can get full exp.

But why would they still allow a BST to release a pet for MPK purposes? My guess is that either the released pets will not agro others, i suppose they could make it so that way, like, once you release a pet, it starts walking back to it's home point, i guess a pet would only agro ONCE it entered the said radius, but that's a big IF, IF SE wants it that way, and IF SE turns the other cheek on how BSTs are using their pets, the EXP penalty is probably there for a reason, releasing a pet for maximum exp is, in my opinion, an overlooked glitch, however I also feel like BSTs should be able to solo IT's easily like a normal pt does, i guess that's where the flaw is... i think if you used your pet to kill the enemy you would get the desired ammount of exp if it was an IT mob, even with the penalty.

The solution... BST has free space for improvement anyway you look at it, first of all, Leave should be avaliable sooner, second of all, you should be able to let your pet rest for healing, and lastly, make it so that a BST can solo an IT mob without needing a full deck of pets... another solution i could see would be lowering the penalty, something like a passive ability that you would get at a certain level that would lower the penalty, it simply makes no sense that you want to release you pet, if that's how SE planned it to be, then please, on the next update they should change the Beastmaster job name to Beastleecher or something >.>

[aegina]

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or give bst a new command. "Rest". basically the same as the current leave, except it can't aggro anyone when in rest status.

im not saying it's what se is doing, it's just an idea.

[Balfree]

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I agree, a Rest pet command would make sense, or Withdraw or something.. the pet is still yours, but no penalty occurs if you use that command, and in turn it wont agro people...

[Yossar]

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First off, as it has been stated here, being able to release is crucial to BSTs. This isn't an issue about us being to stingy to buy pet food. We buy it and use it on occasion, but there's a 3 min wait in between uses and even with Pet Food Zeta, it still doesn't heal enough to keep a pet healthy. In order to solo, we need to be able to cycle and recycle pets without worrying that they are going to dissappear when we need them.

BST was never intended to be a solo job, but neither was NIN suppose to be tanking job. It just sortof happened. A BST/NIN can do amazing things in a party, but we are limited in the areas where we can level. Not all areas have charmable pets, so we'd have to use jugs. There's a 5 min wait in between jug uses, so we really can't release after each fight. This means we'll take a 30% xp hit on every kill in a party. That adds up.

I'll give S-E the beneifit of the doubt, but if we are truly nerfed in this update, then S-E better fix our role in XP parties. Otherwise BST will lose out on much of what made its job unique to begin with.

[aegina]

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they just fixed rng, they just fixed drg... i doubt they're going to break bst.

[Omni]

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there's no way se would destroy bsts' ability to xp.

please stop panicking...

i remember right before the ninja "nerf," everyone was posting that it was the end of ninja as a tank. they were wrong.

now everyone is saying this is the end of the bst as a solo job. come on. se has something in mind. they arent stupid >.>

given the information they posted this is no way the same as the ninja nerf. i played through the ninja nerf, this is NOT the same thing.

"This measure refers to the radius that the monster walks about when not engaged in battle. After being drawn out of that radius during battle and released, the monster will disappear, and then reappear after a short time in its proper location."

this is what we worry. bst will take a pet, move around all over zone, well out of the mobs normal walk path, if we release, poof? thats what will hurt us.


deepimpact: do you even know wtf you are saying? from what you wrote, you sound completely ignorant. you say that bst is a solo job but how are we to solo if we dont have pets around? oh use jug pets? try using a jug pet against a VT mob and tell me how well it does. let alone, the timer on call beast is 5 minutes. regening your pets health is vital for bst. w/o it, we wont be able to chain xp. think about it guy.

[Macht]

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One thing for certain, is there is no doubt that this will effect BST. So far SE has not stated anything to counter the effect, they'll either have to add a new skill or adjust others to make them more viable for use.

[Gwynn]

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>.> In all honesty I couldn't really care either way... I don't plan on ever leveling BST, and they're always messing with farming spots =P

However, at least for the sake of all those players who like BST, I do hope that they don't nerf them.

[TheGrandMom]

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Sounds like you don't realize that pets don't zone with you, and recycling in the method of releasing and re-charming is common later on as neighbortaru was stating.

>.< Read the post correctly. The first part was confirming the change and I said that when a bst changes the area he is in. I did not say that he zoned. Zoning and changing the area he is in are two entirely different things. Changing the area means he is moving out of the natural walking path of the mob he has charmed.

i'm sorry, but i do not think you fully understand why recycling your pet is important.

I'm sorry but you do not fully understand that I do know about recycling your pet. But I also know of many higher lvl bsts that take great pleasure in using their charmed pets as a weapon. Even well meaning bsts have killed people while waiting for their pet to regain its hp. Then when the person's pt defends him by attacking the pet that was regening, the bst gets pissed. (I know it irritated me.)This adjustment (its not a nerf for gods sake) is necessary.

Will it take some adjusting on the bst's part? Yes it will. As usual people rebel against change but everyone survives. When the nin adjustment was announced people went through the ceiling. I haven't seen a drop in nins at all but in fact there has been a explosion of nins. Will bst's adjust and survive? Yes they will. Who knows even more adjustments could be down the road such as the ability to rest your pet or a drop in the time between being able to use food. Again all this gloom and doom is premature and no one looks at the positive side of this change.

[neighbortaru]

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Again all this gloom and doom is premature and no one looks at the positive side of this change.

which is what for BSTs?

[neighbortaru]

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Beastmasters will now receive 100% of the experience gained for enemies defeated with a pet summoned by the “Call Beast” ability.

The beastmaster ability “Reward” will now include a “Regen” effect. The amount of HP restored will be determined by the level of the pet and the type of pet food used.

SE hasn't completely lost it's marbles, but with a 5 minute cool down, this is still not so hot. They know they ganked us, they are just trying to make us feel better about it...

[Enialas]

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all i can say is, if after this update and next thing they know, lots of people are wanting to cancel thier account SE will say or do something, like they did for RNG.

try it out and see how it works, and if it just totally kills your ability to xp, send in a complaint to SE and level your sub to 37 and if it's already there, hopefully there's something else in FFXI you like playing as or want to try out while waiting for the fix.

sorry i'm not more supportive of the bst movement but i only unlocked the job just to do so and for Jeuno fame, which it did give me enough for RSE and gobbie bag.

[Omni]

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I'm sorry but you do not fully understand that I do know about recycling your pet. But I also know of many higher lvl bsts that take great pleasure in using their charmed pets as a weapon. Even well meaning bsts have killed people while waiting for their pet to regain its hp. Then when the person's pt defends him by attacking the pet that was regening, the bst gets pissed. (I know it irritated me.)This adjustment (its not a nerf for gods sake) is necessary.

Will it take some adjusting on the bst's part? Yes it will. As usual people rebel against change but everyone survives. When the nin adjustment was announced people went through the ceiling. I haven't seen a drop in nins at all but in fact there has been a explosion of nins. Will bst's adjust and survive? Yes they will. Who knows even more adjustments could be down the road such as the ability to rest your pet or a drop in the time between being able to use food. Again all this gloom and doom is premature and no one looks at the positive side of this change.

i do understand the need for this. bst IS the mpking. i do understand that there are players out there that do abuse this. do not get me wrong, i am aware of this. i have had 3 bsts chase me for 20minutes while i fought aquarius. however, for a bst that minds his own business, what positive side to this change is there? (this question is more rhetorical than anything, if there was an easy answer im sure it would have been implemented already) the new regen ability for reward? this might help but i hope that the grace period btwn when a mob is released and when it decides to disappear is long enough for reward to do its work otherwise you might reward your pet, release it and it still disappears.

[felpa_de_osa]

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Heh, for me Im now glad that I took up cooking when I wasn't always leveling so I won't have to get ready for any possible crazy price jack in pet food/jugs (the ones that can be made by culinary synth). Im hoping the regen from the pet food zeta will be the same or close to as if it was the monster/charmed pet's own natural regen.

>.> In all honesty I couldn't really care either way... I don't plan on ever leveling BST, and they're always messing with farming spots =P

you're crazy, we don't mess with farming we just farm better =P.

[TheGrandMom]

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Who knows even more adjustments could be down the road such as the ability to rest your pet or a drop in the time between being able to use food. Again all this gloom and doom is premature and no one looks at the positive side of this change.

December Update:

Beastmasters will now receive 100% of the experience gained for enemies defeated with a pet summoned by the “Call Beast” ability.

The beastmaster ability “Reward” will now include a “Regen” effect. The amount of HP restored will be determined by the level of the pet and the type of pet food used.

Yes this still means there is going to be some adjusting for bsts but this helps a good deal. So much for all that gloom and doom...