That's all folks

[Balfree]

Re: That's all folks

The conning a different toughness is a GLITCH, they said it was gonna be the same mob, but it is simply not the case, so your laughing makes me wanna skin a goat and murder it for the sake of spite, laughing at what i said means you are just another of those sheep minded people who dont think for themselves, if writing letters to SE is bullcrap for you, then go ahead and dont do anything, which will probably solve more issues im sure.

If a mob repops with a different con, then the system can be abused in many ways such as pulling a mob out of radius just so you can have a chance of an IT popping, it is simply a GLITCH <--- that they overlooked, and either they overhaul the way BSTs play alltogether, or this will never work, a BST shouldnt even be forced to leave the pet... the EXP penalty is, in my opinion, bullshit, because it's your ability to charm a pet and use it to kill.. its your means to kill... so why would a penalty exist? <.< do smn's get penalties? do drgs get penalties? sure its a DIFFERENT case, but the penalty should simply NOT exist and all problems would be solved, i THINK, that or like i previously stated: BSTs should be able to OBLITERATE an IT with an EM pet, something like a charmed pet being stronger because you charmed it... youre commanding it so it should get STRONGER and that would be a BSTs real strenght, and i cant stress it enough, OFF WITH THE PENALTY, let the bsts exp without having to release pets at all, and BAM, lots of MPK issues solved, and if they HAVE to release because the pets need healing, then fucking make a Rest command or remove the huge timer on Reward, or SOMETHING <.< because Release is obviously an overlooked ability, being able to release a pet was a wrong move since the beginning because it simply was and only now theyre noticing it <.< because of what has been said here i have put BST on hold until SE decides to do something about it, honestly i simply cannot wait for the next conference with sage sundi or other SE spokespeople, i hope the players ask them about this issue.

I'm pissed don't mess with me yaaaaaaargh.

And i take my leave off this issue /blist add this thread.

[Evengelion]

Re: That's all folks

I am sorry if i directed the post at you but i was pissed and wanted to direct the post the the fuctards at SE with having that much insight.

[neighbortaru]

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i sent my letter in. evengelion, you should too (but please refrain from the profanities). it couldn't hurt.

you know what also might work, sending Ahkore (SE community rep on Alla) a PM. Again, please refrain from the profanities as well.

[Omni]

Re: That's all folks

what happened to all the nay-sayers with the oh so profound and oh so verbose commentary about how bst is still OK.

just read all these first hand accounts. premature? yea right.

[Jei]

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@@; came in to read around and saw my name.

This recent change just hands down sucks for BST. I don't think any BST ever need the ability to MPK to begin with. But they need their pets and in order to fix MPK, they pretty much took away those pets. You release the pet, it will disappear in less than 5 seconds.

I haven't levelled BST much so I'm not sure how viable it is to pull the exp mob back to the pet's zone... it sounds like a way out, but more running around for BST...

[Kafeen]

Re: That's all folks

GM's ingame comments posted on Killing Ifrit.

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=96064

[Armando]

Re: That's all folks

About the training thing...my girlfriend zoned two Antica from East Altepa going into Quicksand Caves. I was behind both her and the Antica. Both Antica despawned. This is my only experience with the mob despawn occurrence, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

[Omni]

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my probably already deleted message to SE rep on allakashitter.

message

Hello,

I play bst on Remora. Currently lv. 40, I have worked very hard to tough out lv. 1-35 on bst. as you already know, those levels are extremely rough on bst. i finally obtained leave about a month ago and have been delighted how i can take a few hours of time from my busy day and logon and play a job i enjoy and is not affected by a PT, PT members or the lack there of.

The recent changes to address the mpk issue was necessary. i do understand that this is an issue the plagues ffxi as well as other mmo's. however, the way this change was implemented, in my opinion, lacks any sort of thought and planning in relation to bst.

i understand that balance needs to be made. understand where i am coming from for a second. i also play a 74nin and a 61rng. the changes made to those jobs, however, not to my particular liking, were fair and did not affect my pt play much and i feel were good changes in terms of balance. this change to bst, direct or indirect is not even on the same level as nin and rng. the utsusemi and ranged damage calculations do not affect greatly the xp gained by nin and rng because you still have 5 other pt members helping you grind out that xp. with most bst, they only have themselves or 1 other bst to rely on. not being able to have able amount of pets around to kill a monster already cuts our typical 2-3k xp/hr to a dismal 1k xp/hr. this means a whole lot when you have 20k to a level.

the additions to bst to 'compensate' this are little to help in any way shape or form. the regen rate from reward is pathetic. and having 100% xp from a jug pet is nice, but that only leaves us the option of PT play. which is not why the majority of bst play their job. they like the freedom of bst. even if bst was 'intented' to be a PT job like some people i have debated with have said, this only adds 1 more melee to the already crowded waiting room of seeking melee. now we will have to compete for that 2nd and 3rd pt slot against mnk, drk, rng, thf, drg, war, and sam. where has the freedom of the bst gone? right back into the restrictive play of pt grinding.

please take my words into consideration as well as other bst still trying to master their jobs. thank you.

edit: my friend was telling me what he read about this on jp forums. 'what about nin, bst bst bst bst bst pt?' hmm... then all you nay-sayers are gonna bitch that we're too strong now. oh, mpk is still possible, what good did any of this do?

[Hyrist]

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Fuck this, I'm leveling RDM...RDM gets all the love -_-

Rdms havent had a signifigant update for them in almost 2 years. We're not loved, just left alone. Everyone thinks the job is fine as is, which means we get nothing new.

I can understand that it is a termenous impact on the exp gain of a Beastmaster. But I can also understand that SE really did not inted on Beastmaster being an entirly Solo job class anyways.


MPK is still 'possible' but its alot more difficult, and more difficult means that those that do are doing it intentionally, which lets SE just go "Ok, we caught you red-handed this time" and bann someones account.

My biggest guess is that there will be an update alowing more abilities for a bst to support their jug pets, cause I dout SE will go back on this update. The "Reward" and EXP gain thing was just the start to test the waters, hoping that some BSTs will actually try to join a party. (and I've seen a few).

Its not as if I dont sympathise with BSTs, but I do encourage those who have been thinking about quitting to rough it through for the next few months and see what SE does.

[Omni]

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I can understand that it is a termenous impact on the exp gain of a Beastmaster. But I can also understand that SE really did not inted on Beastmaster being an entirly Solo job class anyways.

i appreciate your understanding on these issues but i'm still confused on how you reached this conclusion. can you explain how you know that se did not intend bst to be this way?

[aegina]

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MPK is still 'possible' but its alot more difficult, and more difficult means that those that do are doing it intentionally, which lets SE just go "Ok, we caught you red-handed this time" and bann someones account.

no, this doesnt make it any easier to catch people mpk-ing.

[Kurgan]

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I charmed a Tracker Antlion in Attohwa Chasm near Citipati spawn area. I sent my pet to fight a Corse, heeled it back to my pets spawn area, killed the Corse, and released my pet. It disappeared five seconds later. One minute later, the antlion reappears in the same spot that I released it.

I did the same thing later, and the pet didn't disappear but instead healed like I would have expected it to.

So now we gotta worry about the rare cases our pets will disappear ANYWAY even if we do release them where they belong.

And now I have one minute of idle time after it disappears to either find a new pet or re-charm my antlion when it reappears before pulling another one, since it happens to be the only antlion in that area.

[neighbortaru]

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thanks Kurgan, yet another account of how incredibly broken and stupid this update has been.

MPK is still 'possible' but its alot more difficult, and more difficult means that those that do are doing it intentionally, which lets SE just go "Ok, we caught you red-handed this time" and bann someones account.

wrong, it's not more difficult. one method, Leave MPK, might have been eliminated, but the others still exist, i.e. train-link MPK. the more accounts i read, the more i am flabbergasted by how incredibly incompetant SE has been about testing these changes.

[JP_Ikari]

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I was afraid we'll see something like this. Changes happen and they think people are smart enough to think of ways to change how they play. That's what they always do. I feel bad for the BST's that got affected by the change, but really, if you guys wanna blame something, blame the peeps that loves to MPK. The reason why this change happen, it wasn't because to hurt the BST's, but to eliminate trains overall. The unfortunate part, is yes, the radius part. And I feel for the Beastmasters for their way of playing as How the Beastmasters know it. But again, another change, another test, we move on. Nothing we can do now.

JP

P.S. Again, sorry for the loss BSTs, but I would hate to see people quit on this

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thanks Kurgan, yet another account of how incredibly broken and stupid this update has been.
wrong, it's not more difficult. one method, Leave MPK, might have been eliminated, but the others still exist, i.e. train-link MPK. the more accounts i read, the more i am flabbergasted by how incredibly incompetant SE has been about testing these changes.

And we're still asking the same question. There's a lot of things they need to address. They thought this will solve the train issue, and I have yet to see it, but MPK is a whole lot harder now, meaning its better (especially seeing how those RMT's fuck people up with crap). So they think they did a good job on that. But really, on the part when you said they're incompetant, they are and I agree. Again, they fix one thing, and another problem comes up. It's always the same cycle. No one will ever be happy cause they always fuck it up. They don't fully test it. The only thing that was running on the Dev's minds were "find a way to eliminate MPK", and that's what they did. Without really thinking of the BST's.

JP

[Omni]

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i work for a managed hosting company. anyone in the technology industry knows the importance of testing. we tell our clients before they release their apps, to thoroughly test them. how can this have slipped through QC? very poor development and QC protocols on behalf of SE. no, these are not highly specific cases that are not reproduceable, they are pretty easy and common things to test.

you always test test test and test. once you are done, you test some more.