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[Macht]

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>.< Read the post correctly. The first part was confirming the change and I said that when a bst changes the area he is in. I did not say that he zoned. Zoning and changing the area he is in are two entirely different things. Changing the area means he is moving out of the natural walking path of the mob he has charmed.

Lol, sorry just that I equated changing area and changing zone as being the same thing. Thats a result of people from the LS and in game using those two for that same purpose. I would of look at it differently if you stated something more along different area within the zone, then what you were trying to state makes sense.

That is actually what were stating already, the point we were specifying as a problem for the non-mpk BST was that they can not release and re-charm. Guess it means more now that BST will just have to charm the pet again if they want it still or tame and let it go byebye on them, the change to "Reward" might help with not being able to release the pet now. Have to wait and see.

[WishMaster3K]

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se has something in mind. they arent stupid >.>

I just loled.

Regardless, It is a shame that this has happened, but I only intended to use BST as a farming job anyway, because using THF meant that I had to raise NIN first, buy NIN gear so I could get exp, then raise THF to 60. . . -.- when I already have WAR at 30 and WHM at 37, BST is the ideal farm job.

Thus, it's not. . . a big deal. Honestly, NINs wernt created to be tanks. BSTs werent created to be soloers. This is an adjustment (as stated), not a nerf. A nerf, by laymans terms, is something that gamers harassed for exponentially positive results. Whether it was Fuidama with THFs 2 years ago, TP gain with WSs like Penta Thrust and Asuran Fists 1 year ago, or the RNG damage ability a few months ago, changes have gone through this game, and ppl either bitched and adapted or cried and quit.

Kinda how all the melee's laughed at RNGs when they got adjusted, half the RNGs who were just RNG for the "free 75" bandwagon quit or went BLM or WAR. But that was about half a year ago. Here we are in December, and there are no posts about how bad RNG is now. People moved on.

Now if SE Makes Refresh a 25 second recast, or gives BRDs Mages Ballad III, i'm throwing up arms.

[Macht]

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Kinda how all the melee's laughed at RNGs when they got adjusted, half the RNGs who were just RNG for the "free 75" bandwagon quit or went BLM or WAR. But that was about half a year ago. Here we are in December, and there are no posts about how bad RNG is now. People moved on.

If that's the case then I see 1 person who hasn't yet to still be mentioning that change

Honestly no one moves on from it they just openly say oh well but will still bring up a change they didn't like. For me I pretty much said good riddens to lack luster RNG players, let the ones more intrested in it for simply playing it.

[aegina]

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i'm a ranger, and the nerf SUCKS!!!!

i just put up with it though. nothin i can do about it... the job is still playable, it's just annoying to not know for sure how much damage you'll deal when you shoot your (sometimes expensive) arrows.

rng is still good, though, which is why i don't really complain. it's just not the best dd anymore...

[neighbortaru]

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BSTs werent created to be soloers.

lol. where did you get this little gem from?

this change, which needs to be verified by someone trying it after the patch, will hurt us. 100% xp from jug pets does not make it better (doesn't even come close). so now we have a better option of joining PTs... and seek along with the other hundred DDs... yay

[Kittyneko]

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Im just wondering.. does this mean BST will be a lot more often seen in partys?

[WishMaster3K]

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Well, NT, I've known you since I first came to this forum, so I'll save the cynicism I usually spend on ppl who I can't stand, lol.

Seriously tho, look at the way SE formulated this game from it's inception, every job was meant to be a large part of a greater whole, with the multitude of jobs contributing to various levling and playing styles. BST is simply another piece to that puzzle, not an exterior object meant to be used outside the "normal" party mechanics of the games natural leveling progression.

With that said, look at your abilities and keep in mind what BSTs can POSSIBLY do to aid parties.

A friend of mine told me one time he invited a BST/WAR when his WAR left, and told the BST to go /anon. He was an excellent puller and didn't do too bad on the damage. BSTs, imo, are better than having a RDM or BLM or BRD on add control.

It's devastating what a group of BSTs can do to an area, each BST individually adding up for insane chains. I haven't touched BST past the forest of Ronfaure, so I'm sure you more experienced chaps can contribute to how versatile your jor is solo and how useful you can use that versatility to assist 5 other people.

[Vashae]

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idk anything about bst...i got bst up to lvl 6 lol...all i know is that they can charm monster...and a good sub for it is whm...thats about it lol

[Omni]

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Now if SE Makes Refresh a 25 second recast, or gives BRDs Mages Ballad III, i'm throwing up arms.

how typical.

its only an adjustment and 'not a big deal' when its not a class that you are playing but if it has something that will directly affect you, you're throwing your arms up?

lame.

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Well, NT, I've known you since I first came to this forum, so I'll save the cynicism I usually spend on ppl who I can't stand, lol.

Seriously tho, look at the way SE formulated this game from it's inception, every job was meant to be a large part of a greater whole, with the multitude of jobs contributing to various levling and playing styles. BST is simply another piece to that puzzle, not an exterior object meant to be used outside the "normal" party mechanics of the games natural leveling progression.

With that said, look at your abilities and keep in mind what BSTs can POSSIBLY do to aid parties.

A friend of mine told me one time he invited a BST/WAR when his WAR left, and told the BST to go /anon. He was an excellent puller and didn't do too bad on the damage. BSTs, imo, are better than having a RDM or BLM or BRD on add control.

It's devastating what a group of BSTs can do to an area, each BST individually adding up for insane chains. I haven't touched BST past the forest of Ronfaure, so I'm sure you more experienced chaps can contribute to how versatile your jor is solo and how useful you can use that versatility to assist 5 other people.

can possibly do to aid parties? thats if people will get over the fact that our pets dont give them xp loss. this has been since the game has been out but people still almost next to never invite bsts to pts. its very very rare and its only if there are no melee seeking. you speak like if bst getting into a normal pt is a normal occurance. all you do is talk about the exceptions as if they are the norm. which is HARDLY the case.

add control? since when do you need to seriously dedicate resources for add control? if a bst subs nin, hes not getting any useful abilities out of that other than dual wield. utsu wont really matter too much b/c he wont be pulling hate. if he subs war he can provoke but is left with an axe and shield. it sounds oh so easy the way you put it. bsts should be a regular pt member then shouldnt they? sorry but as neighbortaru said, adding another melee into the already over crowded waiting room of seeking melee is hardly anything positive.

[neighbortaru]

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Renarudo, lemme provide an analogy that hopefully you can relate to...
Telling a BST that he can join regular parties is like telling a RDM that he can melee for damage. Sure it's possible, but it is not optimal.

I enjoy the freedom that BST brings. My XP is not dependant on finding 5 other people. It's not dependant on said people not sucking. It's not dependant on going to the same overcrowded leveling spots everyone else goes to. Yes the freedom is still there with/after this change, but now you've cut my XP haul by (guessing) 50% by introducing downtime (finding my pet again after it disappears). Forgive me for not being thrilled.

btw, I don't buy that whole SE had a grand master plan explanation. You give them too much credit...

[Macht]

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Lol, I'll throw my arms up even if it's a job I don't play. I just look at it considering the mechanics in place and how it was originaly intended. As the BSTs story line and playstyle seems to suggest their primary focus was for solo play, thought their abilities did add usefull advantages for a party as well.

[Yossar]

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There are still some solo spots we can hit (Cape Terrigan for example), but it's sad to think that places like BousOub will be relatively empty now except for an occasional quester or NM hunter. Soloing BST got me through a hectic college life where I did not have the time to site down and party for 3 hours straight.

As for the fixing the XP on jugs, I thought they should've done this over a year ago. Now if they can only increase Jug strength to be bit closer to an EM pet...

Also, a BST/NIN with good equipment can deal some sick damage in a party when you add it with their pet, but I'd say we're on the bottom on the list when it comes to choosing melees.

[Rones]

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Patch is out and it is confirmed that leaves causes the mob to disappear. GL to all the BSTs.

[Omni]

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lol joy.

has there been any word on the regen rate for reward?
i hope its pretty damn fast to offset the fact that you will have to keep your pet charmed to chain but sustain an xp cut.

i cant check things out yet, still at work.

[Spazz]

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OK guys... heres a thought....

QUIT BITCHING!!!!

Look at it this way, SquareEnix designed all jobs to be party based and no for soloing. Ninja was supposed to be a Damage Dealer and now its a tank. Beastmaster was supposed to be a Damage Dealer like DRGs but now they all solo. Now with this update people are bitching and complaining about how hard its gonna be to solo... NO SHIT! They are making things more strict for a purpose!

S-E made it so that the Jugs dont cut EXP.... WHY???? So that you can get a normal EXP party and use your freakin jug as a normal pet like a DRG does!

Please get over yourselves and look at the whole picture.

Yes, I have a BST that I like to play on. This is gonna be alot of fun because EXP parties get way more EXP an hour than I do solo'ing.