How much does Race really matter?

[Macht]

Re: How much does Race really matter?

So we are more or less stating the same thing. I by no means though would dare control a players choice of progression. It's bad strategy and only feeds to kill a game, it's absolutly horrid to do when the game starts segmenting and forcing specializings.

The one beauty and potential FFXI has if designed right with the jobs is they can have many great methods to accomplish things just waiting to be discovered. Much like Magic. You playing an opponent that has conformed to a stratedgy that's well known he becomes weak against someone clever enough to sneak a surprise on them.

[Yeargdribble]

Re: How much does Race really matter?

I would just like to add that Icemage is pretty straight on target. CHR is of extremely negligable importance. In my considerable experience I've found that the sweet spot for landing songs (Elegy, Lullaby) on XP mobs is around 100-110. If I fall below 100 I will start to have noticable resists, but as long as I keep just over 100 (my pulling set puts me at 102 currently) I have about a 99% land rate on Mamool Ja, which are notoriously resistant.

Now, at 75, with gear I can push over 200 CHR (Base+gear). There is no shortage of CHR gear in this game. Aim at getting to a safe spot with your CHR and then aim at skill and MP and anything else.

Base+(Base/2) is roughly the equation I use for the sweet spot. If you are a Mithra you may want to add on to it by a few points. My wife is a Mithra leveling BRD and she goes by this and has no problems stickings sleeps or Elegies at all.

[Icemage]

Re: How much does Race really matter?

Thanks for the clarification, Yeargdribble. I'm also pretty happy with 100+ CHR at 75. For most of my Bard career, as long as I spent a "reasonable" amount of attention on CHR, I never had problems with Elegy/Threnody/Lullaby (and who cares about Requiem?). Besides, stacking a zillion CHR has less total effect than equipping a Wind instrument with a bonus to your song and using the appropriate elemental staff.


Icemage

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: How much does Race really matter?

You say this:

I would just like to add that Icemage is pretty straight on target. CHR is of extremely negligable importance. In my considerable experience I've found that the sweet spot for landing songs (Elegy, Lullaby) on XP mobs is around 100-110. If I fall below 100 I will start to have noticable resists, but as long as I keep just over 100 (my pulling set puts me at 102 currently) I have about a 99% land rate on Mamool Ja, which are notoriously resistant.

Then this:

Base+(Base/2) is roughly the equation I use for the sweet spot. If you are a Mithra you may want to add on to it by a few points. My wife is a Mithra leveling BRD and she goes by this and has no problems stickings sleeps or Elegies at all.

Yeah, Base + (Base/2) is the "sweet spot." Anyone that's putting that amount of CHR into their BRD is doing just fine in general. This is hard to accomplish at lowel levels, but easier to do once you pass the 40 mark and more CHR gradually becomes available to you.

Base + (Base/2) or - to put it in English - equipping enough CHR gear to meet half your character's naitive CHR at your current level. That's not of "negligable importance," that's adequate and what any BRD should try to aim for. Saying its of "negligable importance" is just like saying its "not important." Yeah, its not important to you, but to others not yet at endgame levels, its rather important to hit that mark. At endgame, lots of things we do in EXP go right out the window and sometimes no longer apply.

I'm just tired of endgame advice weaseling its way into a beginner's discussion, be it through vague or inconsistant wording or not. If you're not going to give advice at the relative experience level (or have forgotten what that was like) then its just best not to reply at all.

You could have just said, "Mithra do just fine as BRDs, they get enough CHR gear to compensate for the loss" and been done with it. But then it veered into CHR supposedly being "not important" when it actually is.

[Mhurron]

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You could have just said, "Mithra do just fine as BRDs, they get enough CHR gear to compensate for the loss" and been done with it. But then it veered into CHR supposedly being "not important" when it actually is.

What loss? You mean that whole whopping 8 CHR difference between a Mithran BRD and TaruTaru BRD at lvl 75, or the 4 points difference at 37?

That difference is too small to have an impact, and if you were so worried about it, gear 'makes up for it' by lvl 15.

Every BRD, no matter what the race, is pretty much going to need the same gear because the racial differences are too small to matter. This isn't like comparing a Taru BLM to a Elvaan BLM where the Elvaan has to wear the equip that I have just to get close to matching what INT I have unequipped.

[Icemage]

Re: How much does Race really matter?

I don't think anyone was suggesting that Bard should ignore CHR. But unlike other jobs, Bards get some ridiculously good gear for their primary stat very early - Jester's Cape+1 and Corsette+1 at 40 give a combined +16 CHR, which gets you nearly all the CHR you'll ever need for the rest of your levelling career. Tack on a Bird Whistle or other minor +CHR neckwear, and maybe a couple of CHR rings and you're basically set, regardless of what race you happen to be.

I even think Yeargdribble's estimate of Base + Base/2 is a bit high. +20-25 at any level seems to be more than sufficient for XP purposes. Against tougher HNMs, then you'll want that 100-110 total.


Icemage

[Yeargdribble]

Re: How much does Race really matter?

I'd agree that Base + (Base/2) is a little high, but it's a safe estimation for all races. I don't think it's 100% negligable, but compared to the way some BRDs gear. I think people over-estimate the worth of CHR. I just think it's bad to get carried away with the mentality of "If less is more, then imagine how much more more would be!!" I see too many CHR whores

[UnnamedGalka]

Re: How much does Race really matter?

Brd caps at a wooping 238skill at level 75 I think?

Even less than that: 225.

But the thing to remember is that, when playing an instrument, your Singing skill is factored in as well.

[FuxinBrit]

Re: How much does Race really matter?

Wow, well thank you all for your input.

I think I will be happy staying a Mithra from the sounds of it, I will just do my best to make up the little bit missing from CHA in gear.

Thanks again

[Yeargdribble]

Re: How much does Race really matter?

And on the other bright side, Mithra looks hawt in most of our gear ^^