March song

[Rekiem]

I was playing around with songs and found out that March reduce recast timer on songs and spells. I found this out by playing around with Virelai. With Faerie Piccolo using Advancing March and Victory March, the timer on Maiden's Virelai dropped by 12 seconds. Normally it takes 60 seconds to recast, not it was 48seconds.

Now, the reason why this is usefull is mostly for lullaby, Virelai, Blink and Utsusemi:Ichi & Ni. You can reduce the recast timer by around 40% with both March and Haste which is a great thing for Ninja or when you have to do crowd control with Lullaby.

[Kweh]

Wow, so using both March songs makes recasts 40% quicker? Wonder how much a Soul Voice March would do.

[Rekiem]

Originally posted by Kweh
Wow, so using both March songs makes recasts 40% quicker? Wonder how much a Soul Voice March would do.

No, March 1 and 2 is 20%, added with haste its 40%.

[Theiry]

Oh cool =) I posted a topic asking about this before, but didn't get a reply. Anyway, I'm glad to see it does reduce recast. =) Do you know if any other types of haste speed up song recast? (The only other type I know of is from equipment, like the Haste +5% earing for Dragoon sub)

I heard that Haste lowered recast, and I had wondered if it were possible to speed up recast substantially by having many types of Haste on. People say Virelai isn't usable because the recast is too long, so I was wondering if you had the right songs/spells/equipment if you could lower the recast enough to allow you to always have a pet. If the Haste + gear does lower recast, and the songs and spells you listed help that much, then I really can't wait to try this out =) Now... if only I was high enough level to be a bard...

[Theiry]

Hey, I have one more question about the March songs, and one about haste effecting recast. First, do they give a set amount of haste, or is it based on skill level (singing/wind/string)? If it's based on skill, does it get more powerful as you get higher level?

And second, if you have a spell that has 100 second recast, and you have a 10% haste on you, does that mean the recast will be 90 seconds? In other words, is the "percentage of haste" the exact amount it takes from the recast?

[Rekiem]

Yea its a percentage. If a spell has a recast of 100 seconds, then the recast time become 80 seconds with both March song. For Maiden's Virelai, the recast timer become 48 seconds with both March.

[Theiry]

Very cool =) I love bards. They are hands down the coolest thing in the game. Having a Haste song (two actually) makes them even cooler. I've always loved haste, it's been my favorite strategy in every RPG ever =P (lol, you should see my Emeralda attack in Xenogears. She gets 2-3 turns for every one any other party member gets, and tons more than any enemy)

So, if you had enough Haste + items/spells/songs on you, could you keep Virelai up all the time?

[Theiry]

I was just going through some equipment lists on a few websites, looking for any Haste + gear Bards can use (and thieves, since I want Haste on my thief too). I found quite a few more items then I thought I would. =) Unless my math is fuzzy, check this out. (keep in mind I can't check this in game, I don't even have bard unlocked yet).

I don't know if all of this is possible, or if these items even exist. But if this does work, wow! Here's the equipment.

Legs:~~~~Byakko's Haidate~~~~~Haste + 5%
Hands~~-~Dusk Gloves +1~~~~~~Haste + 4%
Feet:~~~~Dusk Ledelsens + 1~~~-Haste + 3%
Waist:~~~Speed or Sonic Belt~~~~Haste + 6%
Ranged:~~Angels Lyre~~~~~~~~-Haste + 2%
*Earring:~-Wyvern Earring~~~~~~Haste + 5%
**Shield:~-Wyvern Targe~~~~~~~Haste + 1%
**Weapon:-Rune Chopper~~~~~~-Haste + 9%

(* Latent Effects. For the earring you need Dragoon sub, I have no idea on the others. I'm guessing the shield works the same way.)

(** You can't have both of those equipped. Which means you want the Rune Chopper. Unless the latent effect on it is hard to trigger)

So, all put together, just from equipment, you can get + 34 % haste. With both Marches and Haste (as Rekiem posted) you get +40% which brings the total up to +74% haste! Even without the Rune Chopper or any other latent effect equipment you can get +20% haste, making the total +60%.

If my math is correct, that means you can cut the Virelai recast down to 15.6 seconds! So if there isn't a cap on haste, and everything else works out, you can cut your recast down by a huge amount. I wish I had my bard high enough to try all this, but most of these items are level 72+.

Anyway, if anyone knows anything about this let me know. I'd love to hear of more + Haste equips, or if any of these won't work for this. Or, for that matter, anything else to do with haste at all. I plan to buy up at least one of every + Haste item I can equip for all my jobs. Haste seems extremely nice for bards, so it's lucky that they can get more Haste + gear than any other job ('cept for Ninja).

Sorry if any of this is off. I try to never post anything without checking it myself first... but I won't be able to check this for at least a few months, if not years =P

[Xccoortri]

Hehe, now bards can have +60% haste and =90% physical damage? awesome

Joking aside though, I'd really like to see how awesome a mnk, or a blink tank with those items on is.

Also, could we be as powerful as a bst, and solo things like aquarius with all that haste+?

[Theiry]

Originally posted by Xccoortri
Hehe, now bards can have +60% haste and =90% physical damage? awesome

Haha =) Yep, if all this works bards can pick between not taking any damage, or hitting/casting nearly all the time. Lol =) Bards rock.

Originally posted by Xccoortri
Joking aside though, I'd really like to see how awesome a mnk, or a blink tank with those items on is.

Quite a few of these items can't be equipped my Monks or Ninjas, but there are tons of other Haste + items for them. In fact, most of the Haste + stuff is either Monk only or Ninja only. =) It sure would be fun to see any class doing pretty much anything with + 75% haste on =P. I'd love to see a bard with all these items attacking with that Great Axe =) Too bad they can't level that up any, so they would miss pretty much all the time. But it would still rock =P

Originally posted by Xccoortri
Also, could we be as powerful as a bst, and solo things like aquarius with all that haste+?

I can't really answer this, since I've never even seen Virelai used, but my guess is you could. =) Kind of. You wouldn't be able to order around your pet like a beast master can, nor can you call pets with broth. So I'm sure you couldn't solo quite as well as a beastmaster can, but you'd do pretty well =).

Also, to get everything on here you'd have to sub Dragoon (for the earring) and always have two March songs on yourself. Which means you can't cure yourself or have Paeon (sp) on yourself. But I guess you could forget about the 5% haste from the earring and sub white mage (or Beastmaster for the pet abilities). Oh yeah, and you'd need at least one other person to cast Haste on you. So you can't really 'solo' but pretty close =P

I hope this really could work, it would be extremely nice. I don't know what the recast is on Elegy, but with this much haste gear I bet you could keep Elegy on HNM's extremely easily. Even if it was resisted you could cast it again in seconds.