Monster Signa or elemental Staff?

[Sylvah]

That would be because ice staff has 15 wind resist.

I tested earth staff and carnage elegy in terms of actual song power. I couldn't be bothered to test duration or resist rate.

Base Sample: Some wasp in Rolanberry with no elegy or slow - 25 attacks in 100 seconds.

Same wasp with elegy without earth staff: 17 attacks in 100 seconds.

Same wasp with elegy with earth staff: 17 attacks in 100 seconds.

Same wasp with elegy and with slow: 15 attacks in 100 seconds.

I got bored and left before testing slow without elegy.

[Bamce Sylph]

could u try on somewhat tougher mobs? perhaps there is a limit to the amount of slow one mob can have one it, similar to the mitigation that eq implimented. perhaps against some mobs we're accually getting partial resist like instead of 50% slow, mobs are only getting 30% or something. regardless of findings with other staves i'll stillg et hte light one for healing and my limited mp pool

[ProFoolie]

booched!

I just realized that in my haste to conduct this test, i did in fact forget to include the +10 atk from the fire staff itself. (Like i said, i only briefly got a chance to use one, and so utterly failed to notice the stats of the staff itself) ::sigh::

it was a good dream while it lasted

[Aniga]

I tried with an Earth Staff and Minne, absolutely no change except for all the VIT changes I got. I don't think we're seeing any change with beneficial songs and elemental staves. Didn't test offensive songs, but the easiest way to do it would be to try Requiem with and without a Light Staff on a friend during a game of Ballista. Or Threnody with a specific staff and see if it debuffs a person's resists anymore during a game of Ballista. Anyone willing to give these a try, let us know the results!

[Vilurum]

I think it's fairly safe to assume, then, that they don't influence song power. So I'd be interested in seeing some statistical data about resistance rate. Say, 50 lullabies with Monster Signa vs. 50 lullabies with Light Staff vs. 50 lullabies with no special weapon, otherwise loaded down with a reasonable amount of +CHR, against the same VT+ enemy, not on light or dark day.

[_11of8]

Vilrum, read vinwcc's post on the first page. It proved for lullaby, a light bases song, that the Light staff increased effectivness of the song. It stands to reason that the other staffs would increase the chance of landing an offensive spell.

[Vilurum]

Yes, it does (though it was only on a sample of 20 lullabies, I wouldn't mind a bigger statistic). I then went on to run the source pages through a translator, and the same page that gave the lullaby + light staff info, had more extensive info on elegy + earth staff ... and curiously enough, the conclusion they came to was that it had no effect. :confused:

The other source page with all the CHR/skill data was a much more interesting read, though. Seems there's a limit to how much either will boost debuff success rate (they couldn't get past ~75% on their test enemy without day of the week lending a hand). Singing +skill doesn't help (only helps potency) but instrument +skill does help land debuffs, and that with more instrument +skill, you hit the limit with less +CHR. And you have a better success rate with no +CHR and more instrument +skill, compared with no +CHR and no instrument +skill.

/ponderponder

Well, I'm definitely going for +skill now, and I think I may sell my signa in favor of a Light Staff now, especially now that I can get more and more +CHR in other slots. ( Jester's Cape +1)

[Seeker_Onos]

Conclusions?

Light Staff > M. Signa for Lullaby and other light based songs?

Or all around CHR+ continues to rule the day?

I'm interested in borrowing my linkmate's Light Staff and singing a base of 50 songs with it to see if the durations on Paeon IV or Ballad II extend as a result...

and Fire Staff to see if that ups the [b]effect[b] of the Minuet's buff over a simliar test base.

Otherwise, I think I'll be crying for how much farming for beastseals I'll need to do for BCNMs... ; ;

[Kweh]

I feel like I've noticed a big change in resist rates when using the Light Staff, I havent failed a Lullaby for a long time. Maybe once since I have acquired the staff

[Trizzy]

I agree with Kweh. The 3 resists I have gotten with light staff and lullaby were because my rdm in my perma is uber and landed sleep or sleep II first.

Buy a Light Staff. It will help heals too!

There is nothing to show that any other elemental staves boost our songs from what I have read, seen, and personally experienced (and I tried them all). Drink the punch and grind for a light, but just say no to the other elementals. Good luck!

[Laehn]

+skill>all

Chr only effects resists slightly. Skill makes a dramatic increase and improves song potency as well.

Light staff pwnz though. It makes a considerably larger difference in party play than signa staff and is way nicer looking than that ugly broomstick. Wether or not it effects resists, its still a better buy imo. You get +1 to all stats and +10% cure potency right? How godly will curagas be then?!

[Sabin97124]

Broke down and got the Light Staff. (550K >.<) I Decided to try this baby out by tagging a lone with a Eld. Necro Coffer Key party. Whenever there was add/links, I used the lullby to handle it, and trust me, I had many, many chances to use it. Out of about 10 times when I had to do crowd control, either 1 link or up to 3 links, I didn't fail the sleep song onces.

So far I'm pretty happy with it. And because of the extra light damage it does, I was kicking some butt against the skeletons too.

[Sabin97124]

Broke down and got the Light Staff. (550K >.<) I Decided to try this baby out by tagging a lone with a Eld. Necro Coffer Key party. Whenever there was add/links, I used the lullby to handle it, and trust me, I had many, many chances to use it. Out of about 10 times when I had to do crowd control, either 1 link or up to 3 links, I didn't fail the sleep song onces.

So far I'm pretty happy with it. And because of the extra light damage it does, I was kicking some butt against the skeletons too.

[Sabin97124]

Sorry about the double post.. The server timed out on me for some reason.

[Trizzy]

Did 3 BCNM 60's

forgot to change out of my mp gear (astral rings, gold hairpin) for cha items (cha rings, noble's ribbon)

86 cha total

Light Staff + Mary's Horn for all sleeps

0 resists