Charisma and Resists

[Damastas]

Hello~

I have read in many many posts by so many people that they don't have max Charisma gear because they don't get resisted anyway, so they find +MP gear better.

I just look at this every time I see it and go o_O

Are these people exageratting, or lying? You've got to be kidding me.. I have ~+38 Charisma and I still get resisted nearly 60% of the time trying to land Elegy, Foe Requiem, and Threnody. I'm not exageratting either. Last night fighting Steelshell crabs in Boyada, it took me three cycles to succesfully have all three debuffs on the crab. Something like first time Elegy and Requiem resist, Threnody lands, then next round Elegy lands with Requiem still resisting, then next round another Elegy resist while Foe and Threnody land.

My question is when people say "I have +28 Charisma and only get resisted 10% of the time" is that a bunch of trash? It's been like this since level 40, so the "it gets higher as you level" excuse does not apply. I'm wondering if anyone else really has this happen to them, rather than "charisma is garbage, my songs are never resisted anyway."

And Charisma makes a huge difference in fact, I did a few experiments in my party wondering about how much of a difference it really made, and with no +Cha at all I literally could not land 1 out of 20 Elegy's.

Is this common? Does anyone else notice the same thing?

[PrOBy_]

I suppose that at lvl 70 you would need more than 38 CHR to land songs because the monsters do get stronger.

[Psychochild]

I have read in many many posts by so many people that they don't have max Charisma gear because they don't get resisted anyway, so they find +MP gear better.

Well, I'm a Tarutaru bard and at 45, I have a lot of trouble landing debuffs. My static when we went to Quicksand Caves, I had a ton of issues landing my elegy and my threnodies. The black mage was the first to notice t.t

The worst part, is I have very good charisma gear. I have Paper Knife, Pearl Rings, Corsettes, Noble Ribbon, and a bird whistle all on me. That may not be all of it since I've been leveling a blm a lot recently, but I remember with all charisma gear on, I get +20.

You also have to consider the race. If they're like Elvaan, I believe they have the highest charisma, they'd need less CHR gear and more MP gear to begin with, but meh..

[Psychochild]

I have read in many many posts by so many people that they don't have max Charisma gear because they don't get resisted anyway, so they find +MP gear better.

Well, I'm a Tarutaru bard and at 45, I have a lot of trouble landing debuffs. My static when we went to Quicksand Caves, I had a ton of issues landing my elegy and my threnodies. The black mage was the first to notice t.t

The worst part, is I have very good charisma gear. I have Paper Knife, Pearl Rings, Corsettes, Noble Ribbon, and a bird whistle all on me. That may not be all of it since I've been leveling a blm a lot recently, but I remember with all charisma gear on, I get +20.

You also have to consider the race. If they're like Elvaan, I believe they have the highest charisma, they'd need less CHR gear and more MP gear to begin with, but meh..

[Vilurum]

Only gotten to 50 so far, so I can't speak for high levels. But I did notice in my early 40's that my resist rate skyrocketed, and I'd always had +CHR rather than +MP. Buying my moldy bullseye was a welcome change back to a reasonable resist rate (I don't care how overpriced and overrated it is, I like actually landing my songs), but even so, it's still not over 90% - except Lullaby, that's quite reliable, thankfully. Very anxiously awaiting getting to use Jester's Cape +1 for an extra 10 CHR.

Second thing I noticed ... this was only on enemies that actually gave good exp (200 or high 100's base exp before chain). That is, those which were significantly higher level than I was. Weaker enemies, not so high above me, I had a much better success rate with. And my success rate also jumped right after I levelled, even before I capped my skill. Relative level plays a major role.

Third and final thing ... light resistant enemies are very dangerous if you're relying on lullaby. Was fighting T-VT Tonberry Cutters with a 64 PLD friend to try to get keys so we could each have a paintbrush (he eventually got one; I'll try again in another 10 levels or so when it'll actually be more useful to me, and I'll be more useful in battle). +26 CHR. I don't think I had so much as a 50% landing rate on Lullaby, even after using Light Threnody. Be very careful when fighting enemies strong to light, even if they're not way high level above you.

[Lythe]

I have a simple solution.

Elvaans do not have the highest Chr, as I just found out... Humes do (Their RSE gives more +Chr)

The way that you can land those debuffs is to have the highest +chr availabe. Then put a threnody on the mob before debuffing. For example, put an earth threnody on the mob before Elegy (Elegy is an earth based element) Even if it says that your threnody is resisted, it is only a partial resist. If it were to be fully resisted, it would say "X has been resisted by X Mob!"

You can also check the element of the songs by the side of their name (blue for water Light blue for ice, ect)

Hope this helps, let me know if there are any errors in this =)

[PetriW]

+38 cha at 70?
I'm 56 and have +35 cha, no signia and no moon rings yet so I'll soon have +41 cha.
Granted I'm a mithra so I need all the cha that I get.
Somehow I doubt it'll have very much effect as af though but 3 oztroja af coffer runs and no key so far, I love my rolls.

However as for resists, before 50 I had no problems whatsoever with resists, they were sporadic at most. After 50 I started seeing them more, especially started to notice that some mobs had higher base resists to some elements than others. The major part of the problem is however that the bard tends to be the lowest level in the PT. So you're always "fighting" stuff a little higher level than what your pt does, it's not rare that when I level up once on the mob the PT is fighting resists go from common to rare. +singing and +string skill does a lot for resists.

[Aniga]

Well, at 75 I have 70 +63 CHR. I got resisted very, very little on XP-monsters in Kuftal and King Ranperre's (5-10%). The more CHR the better is the rule

[tnt118]

I'm currently level 55, and get resisted on about 1 out of every 4 songs... maybe a tad more often than that.

At my level I'm wearing just about every +CHR piece of equipment that I can. Right now I could get at most +5 more CHR if I picked up better rings (1 CHR each) and Jester's Cape +1 (3 CHR). Technically I could use a +3 CHR horn, but I have all the +2 instruments instead and don't really consider that a viable option.

I wear no +mp equipment, although I carry some on hand if I need to raise.

Point being, I find a rate of 1 in 4 resists to be unacceptable (I perfer around 1 in 10). Given I'm wearing very nearly top-of-the-line equipment, I simply can't see how anyone of any race would not wear every last bit of +CHR that they can.

[Outaru]

A lot of it has to do with what you are fighting, someone in this thread maybe another thread mentioned that mages and bards are usually low level in exp parties when that is the case yeah I get resisted a lot, but usually if the party is with 1 or 2 levels of each other and fight the "proper" mobs my resist rate goes down.

[Reaperx90]

The first monster that could reliably RESIST my songs are Helm Beetles in Garlaige and Crawler's Nest...I swear to God I CANNOT land a song on those things :mad:

Shellbuster, Bird Whistle, Pearl Rings, Ryl. Spr. Horn, some +CHR on my RSE, Corsette, Noble's Ribbon, which amounts to about +23 CHR...(not ALL that much, but it has been sufficient up until now)

Those things are just brick walls to my songs for some reason...anybody else notice that?

[Baradak]

Beetles seem pretty resistant to bard debuffs, at least for me. I never had resist problems on soldier crawlers or hornflies in CN, but moving over to Quicksand caves, the beetles can be hell on resists at times. It doesn't help that we're usually the lowest lvl in the group.