Why do other jobs hate on BRD?

[sudo]

cept if you are a bst

I've played brd and bst and thf melee and nin tank and whm for a fair bit.

as a melee thf you don't get much love at all. In fact, most pt's don't pick you cause it's too hard to set things up for a thf

as a nin blink tank, you still don't get much love. On the other hand, a pld tank which does the same thing gets a lot of love. No idea why this is so.

whm gets a decent amount of love.

Brd gets like all the love ^_^ and it's funny but I play brd to totally relax. It's my easy job.

as a tank, gotta hold hate, as a whm, gotta stare at the life bars, as a thf, you gotta coordinate everyone to stand together (so utterly futile sometimes)

as a brd, I just sing my songs and run around. really easy. I get to look around and admire the scenary


well all these pale in comparison to a bst. I died 11 times in 2 days of lving this job from 15 to 16. I stopped counting since. One tiny screwup and you die. Look away once and you can die. Someone kill a mob that you need and you die.

And it's really funny cause I do more running around as a bst than I do as brd. Run to mob, do attack, run away, activate specials, run in, hit mob, run away, cure self, activate more specials. Get agro from screwing up one step. Die. no raises. release to HP, repeat. Sounds like fun ^_^

waaaaaaaaayyyyyy hardest job ever would be bst. Brd is so relaxing cause nothing really happens to you. Nor are you responsible for very much. A bit of helpful healing. status are easy to see cause I can see the actions on screen. and usually by the time I finish all my songs, the fight is over. (I like to keep both string and wind capped, so lots of threnody time)
if you get agro or an add, just sleep it. No big deal.

[Trell]

My typical routine with my set PT at my current level:

- Hunter's prelude
- Valor Minuet
- Sword Madrigal
- Knight's Minne
- Mage's ballad

By this time, The rng has Prelude and Minuet, thf and drg have Minuet + Madrigal, pld and rdm has Minne + Ballad.

- Elegy
- Requiem

These are time permitting, depending on the mobs toughness.

Towards the end of the fight:

- Army's Paeon
- Regen pld and rng (trick/sneak decoy)

...so throw in some backup cures, backup status cures and Magic finales and you have one busy bard who hardly has the time to scratch his head, let alone take out his paper knife. That's where the challenge of being a bard comes from. The fact that you have to constantly be on your toes and that although you have a routine, monkey wrenches (ex: area Silence from exorays) are often thrown into it, forcing you to adapt quickly. This, of course, supposing that you want to be a great bard. It's routine, but certainly not easy. Leveling up a bard is "grinding" at the fullest extent.

JR.

[Outaru]

Originally posted by Trell
Leveling up a bard is "grinding" at the fullest extent.JR.

That statement is so true, recently I have been avoiding exp parties, I just want time alone to craft, hunt an NM or two, and just enjoy the game, but alas even when I am /anon or even in a party I still get /tell. I am not rude so I always answer back, but yeah doing the same routine over and over wears you out fast. We are so busy I can't even do party or LS chat, whereas everyone else is having fun chatting.

Oh well such is the life of a bard...

[Stolin]

Such is the life of a bard? Pu-lease, this is the lamest thread I've ever seen. You act like your some tortured soul, because you answer /tells and that other jobs have it harder. The only reason you don't have fun is because your not a fun person.

[LockeCole]

Originally posted by Trell
My typical routine with my set PT at my current level:

- Hunter's prelude
- Valor Minuet
- Sword Madrigal
- Knight's Minne
- Mage's ballad

That'd never work on a pick up party coz people won't know where to stand orz. Also won't Prelude be overwriten by madrigal or does the standing arrangements accomodate it?

Guys, songs are quite a few seconds. Couple Ballads together (What I do is have a macro with ballad 1+2, and another with just ballad 2 w), and you have extended talking time. It's the thing that kept me sane through out exp parties :D

[Vertigo]

This is an interesting post, even though the original threadstarter was a rather poor one. It adresses 2 main points:

- The 'flaw' in this game regarding 'balancing the jobs' when it comes to XP PT. With this I refer to the jobs itself; and to the amount of jobs needed to fill gap X in a party. (i.e damage dealer - tank)
- The toughness of the job 'Bard'

I can understand the frustration of people who 'complain' about certain jobs. Some get parties so easilly, while others are left waiting for ages. Example:

* A naked bard will averagely get a way faster party invite than a very well equipped dragoon.

Ofcourse when replacing the 'bard' with 'mage' it becomes different. Mages need to buy many scrolls which are expensive, the Bard scrolls however do not really cost a lot. I can understand people having signs of anger towards the job Bard in relation to XP parties.

Then point 2.... To me it feels like the main thing a (GOOD) Bard must do is keep his focuss and watch carefully, that and time stuff. I think that this should come automaticly while leveling, at least to anyone with a bit of brains^-^

[Trell]

Originally posted by LockeCole
That'd never work on a pick up party coz people won't know where to stand orz. Also won't Prelude be overwriten by madrigal or does the standing arrangements accomodate it?

Originally posted by Trell
By this time, The rng has Prelude and Minuet, thf and drg have Minuet + Madrigal, pld and rdm has Minne + Ballad.

So yes, I tought my set PT to move accordingly and I've also tought a few pickup parties to do so as well. It's all about communication. I'll usually ask the members what buffs they like to have and then, I make a routine that fits it best (within reason) and tell them what it is. We practice it on a few mobs (no more than "seems tough") and you'll be surprised how fast a good party will adapt by simply trying to avoid the buffs they don't want, hehe. Of course, most of it is the bard's responsibility, meaning that the better you are at song sniping, the easier it is to land the right buff on the right people A PT with a thf will take more time though, but I've had a thf in my set PT since day 1, so I know what the issues are (ex: waiting for thf to get out from behind the pld after S/T before buffing Minne/ballad on pld)

All that being said, I have to account for the many PTs full of dense members allergic to adaptation. That's what "one size fits all" bard routines are for

JR.

[Mikeb]

People may hate on the Bards for levelling so fast and never waiting for a group, but deep down everyone loves Bards. Bard is a busy job, but you don't need to spend hours farming for equipment like a DRK or DRG (since they need godly equipment just for people to notice them), you also don't need to be looking for a party for hours at a time, etc... Maybe sometime I'll play Bard myself, looks fun, but for now I'm playing BST. Speaking of which, BST is a job which gets no love... Parties don't invite us, people always hate on us, people steal our pets, train stuff on us, etc... About the only advantage to the job is the fact we don't need those people anyway...

[Serif]

Originally posted by Vertigo
This is an interesting post, even though the original threadstarter was a rather poor one. It adresses 2 main points:

- The 'flaw' in this game regarding 'balancing the jobs' when it comes to XP PT. With this I refer to the jobs itself; and to the amount of jobs needed to fill gap X in a party. (i.e damage dealer - tank)
- The toughness of the job 'Bard'

I can understand the frustration of people who 'complain' about certain jobs. Some get parties so easilly, while others are left waiting for ages. Example:

* A naked bard will averagely get a way faster party invite than a very well equipped dragoon.

Ofcourse when replacing the 'bard' with 'mage' it becomes different. Mages need to buy many scrolls which are expensive, the Bard scrolls however do not really cost a lot. I can understand people having signs of anger towards the job Bard in relation to XP parties.

Then point 2.... To me it feels like the main thing a (GOOD) Bard must do is keep his focuss and watch carefully, that and time stuff. I think that this should come automaticly while leveling, at least to anyone with a bit of brains^-^

I would agree with you to a point if a BRD is naked they will get invited. But that is not true at later levels...of course you always have the Madrigal which helps any PT substantially also with Balladn and Minuet.

But if you are naked at higher levels your best song I think, Elegy won't land if you PT with a NIN it can make a large influence. Not to include if an add comes your Lullaby doesn't always work. I am a 62 BRD with +42 CHR right now, and my Lullaby still gets resisted sometimes. I am just pissed I sold my Signa to level up NIN. I think when I have my Signa and Cape +1 back I will have +51-54 CHR at all times. Which will be nice ^^

You could say the BRD equip is cheap, I would agree but for us to farm is a hard experience especially since our jobs farming capabilities is kinda based on others.
Monster Signa 400k, Cape +1 240k, +2 Instruments around 750k, 2 +1 Earrings 140k, Rings 120k, Corset 40k. Not a lot compared to other jobs but still a good amount.

[Reaperx90]

One thing I've noticed that keeps me especially busy is the fact that I only land the correct songs on the correct people 1/10 times. Let me explain this so as to place the blame for this one someone other than myself

I try to start the first song before the battle begins (as the puller is running back), but EVERY TIME I do this, either the puller runs PAST me and out of song range, or he stops short, forcing the other melees to run out of my song range. And I usually start with Madrigal, so they're without their precious accuracy for the first 20 seconds of battle >_<

Other occasions which get annoying are when the mages separate for some reason. We're in an already tight spot, and as I'm singing Ballad, the mage just jumps up and walks to the other side of the party.

The biggest problem with this is that these parties are mainly JP...so I cannot tell them to stay still...I just have to roll with the punches and /sigh @ the BLM, because the WHM is the one getting the Ballad if they're separated (If I have time I'll give the BLM Ballad, but if not he'll just have to take the party Ballad and hope it lasts through the battle>.>)

EDIT: Oh yeah, I get JP parties at Rank 5, JE language preferences, and "{I'm sorry} {I don't speak any Japanese}" in my search comment. And these are mid-high rank JP parties, some of whom have 'JP ONRY' in their search comments. Bards are loved THAT much!

[specular]

Originally posted by SlipA :

People are much friendlier to bards. When I was playing dark, war, and thief, I didnt notice much. After playing rdm and bard...it's noticably different. People add you to their friends list, talk to you more, are friendlier...its really quite disturbing.

This is so noticable, heh. I only leveled Bard to 21, but I can see a huge difference in how people treat me eventhough I act the same while playing other jobs.

I am somewhat jaded though, after playing DRK, then WAR.