Idea: New Job: Chemist

[Mheezy]

This may have been suggested before; however, I haven't been able to find any similar posts, so I guess I will post it as my idea here

The concept is pretty simple actually.. Have a new support job that relies on using summoned Rare/Ex/Temp potions. The idea came to me after they added treasure caskets that drop these temporary potions, and realizing there is the potential for a potion using class that will not ruin the alchemy trade skill.

Early levels: The Chemist would begin with the ability to summon the almighty Potion! Perhaps give it a short cool down timer. As the Chemist progresses towards L20-30 they would add other status curing potions to their arsenal such as Antidotes and Eye Drops. A smart chemist would stock up on potions before joining a party, but there is still the 16 slot limit on temporary potions. As for Job Traits, the chemist would receive a trait allowing him or her to use their temporary potions on other party members. Perhaps around L15 that would gain a 10-15 Cool down ability that turns their next potion used into a party effect.

Mid Levels: The chemist would gain access to stronger potions such as Hi-Potions, Ethers, Silent Oil, and Prism Powder. To prevent imbalance issues though, the Ether would have a much longer recast timer. Other job abilities/trait ideas would be something that could increase your potions to +1 or +2.

High Levels: Upon reaching the final levels, a Chemist would be able to summon Daedulus Wings and perhaps even Phoenix Downs with a longer recast than other potions. Combining high level ethers or daedulus wings with the ability to effect entire party, the Chemist would be a welcome support job indeed.

Other stuff: The job would most likely wear light armor and use mainly daggers and staves. They would probably be slightly more heavily armored than a white mage or black mage. They could also possibly have the ability to summon new offensive potions, or mirror their potions to have the opposite of the stated effect on enemies, making them more than a purely defensive support job.

Any comments or further ideas are most welcome!

[Susurrus]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

Well see, here's the main problem. Depending on how often they get to summon it, it could be gimp or overpowered. If its not very often, then nobody would want to party with them because it wouldnt be reliable enough. If its too often, then there's nothing keeping them from spamming them and overpowering everyone else. It would be too difficult IMO to balance that.

Also, there's a couple other issues. After using a potion there's a bit of a cooldown where you can't do ANYTHING except auto attack.

And finally, know why potions arent used much (other than price)? They suck. A regular potion at level 75, heck, even a hi-potion +2 doesn't do near enough to be effective as anything except maybe a side healer.


Since its all make believe and probably will never happen (also I'm bored), figured I'd critique the idea.

[Tickmeoff]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

It could work if they got some special Chemist only temp potions that are actually useful.

They'd probably need something beyond just what items already exist in game though, otherwise they would just fill the same role as a White Mage. Maybe if they were given the "Mix" ability the job has had in previous FF titles and were able to mix certain potions to either deal some respectable damage or provide some unique buffs to the party.

Either way it seems like if the job were actually implemented it would just be stepping on the toes of other jobs that already fill similar roles in a party.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

Now that temp items can be used in most zones, it wouldn't really be needed for such a job to have them be R/E. Chemist could be a job that uses tools (instead of materials) to create said items, SE would just have to code the remaining areas that don't have temp items to use them

Problem is, as stated, that we have plenty of healer classes now. Chemist would have to be different in some way. Adding another healer job won't make more people become healers, adding a new tank job won't make people who don't like being tanks want to be them - they have to make something about those existing roles more interesting for people to jump in.

Even then, people who just want to hit stuff will play the jobs that already let them do that.

[Hachibi]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

A new tank job, now that would be nice.

[ShepardG]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

Chemist would have these job abilities:

Slowga- Slows all the players using heroin
Hastega- Hastes all the players using cocaine
Berserkga- Slows and hastes all the players using heroin and cocain at the same time!
Charmga- Raises all players charisma by alot using ecstasy.
Gravityga- casts gravity on all players using marijuana.
Resetga- Resets players job abilitys using meth.

A new tanking class would be hella nice.

And I thought about a new idea for WHM's: Give them a latent refresh based on TP.

0-33tP they have their 1mp/tic refresh that they have already
34-66tP they get 2mp/tic
67-150tP they get 3mp/tic
150-300tP they get 4mp/tic

maybe some funky bonus when they use a weaponskill like 2 * MND/2 or something...

[Mhurron]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

This may have been suggested before

Yes, I believe it was suggested in a product called Final Fantasy Tactics. It's probably best not to pass of others ideas as your own.

[Ziero]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

Original idea was posted here, but I'll post the finished version since it's...well...finished.

Chemist

Chemist

Chemists have been in FF's history since the first potion was used to heal those 4 nameless heros. Item based healing has been something used through out FF's history and is only now something that is seen as difficult and ineffective through out most of the game. Chemist would be a job class that could re-envision the concept of itemized healers by using their own special brand of item manufacture and distribution.

Masters at the art of manipulation, manufacture and dispensing of items and medicines. Unlike the guild of Alchemy, a Chemist uses their knowledge of the base components of materials found in the world around them to break down and reform them into powerful chemicals without the use of crystals. Focusing mainly on healing and defense, Chemists use their scientific knowledge to heal the wounds of their allies. But many of their potions can be used for powerful offensive purposes.

Using a seemingly random assortments of items, a chemist can create numerous types of Base Chemicals. Each Base Chemical will be Ex, stack to 99 and is used in various Recipes, each type corresponding to a different purpose. Blue Chemicals are used in curative Recipes, Green Chemicals for defensive Recipes, Red for damaging Recipes and Yellow for enfeebling Recipes. When a Recipe is cast, the corresponding amount of Base Chemicals is consumed based on they type of Recipe used. While Curative and Buff type Recipes will be consumed right from your inventory, Damage and Debuff type Recipes must have the correct Base Chemical equiped in the Ammo slot to be used. The more powerful the Recipe the more chemicals are used, some Recipes even require mixing Base Chemicals with a fifth rarer White Chemical to allow for incredible results.

Job Abilities:
lvl 1 Melting Pot: The Chemist is granted access to numerous, powerful and rare combinations of medicine. [2 hour recast 3 minute duration]
Basically this would be similar to Astral Flow. Once active you have three minutes to mix numerous base chemicals to create strong and unique items. But unlike AF, this ability could be used for healing, support or debuffing as well as damage. Using the Mix JA and differing amount of Base Chemicals directly, including the special White Chemical, you will be able to create numerous special and powerful medicines to boost your party or weaken your enemies. Upon completion of the Mix, the effect of the item, whether it be offensive or defensive, will take effect instantly. Unlike other Recipes, these special mixtures will not be learned from Scrolls, but must be discovered through trial and error while the 2 hour is in effect. Stronger Recipes will take longer time to mix, but the effects will be well worth it.

lvl 1 Mix: Creates powerful Chemicals using raw materials [30 second recast]
This is what makes the Chemist a Chemist and not just an item using job. Using basic, stackable, easily available items, a Chemist mixes them in the correct combinations to create one type of their five basic Chemicals. Each mixture creates a random amount of a specific Chemical type based on the Chemist's Mix Skill and Int.

lvl 5 Basic Compound: Allows usage of simple Enfeebling Chemicals [45 second recast]
This ability uses Yellow Chemicals to allow a Chemist to enfeeble a target. Each Basic Compound must be learned from a Recipe Scroll of the appropriate level and they all share the same recast. Racc will be needed to help land the enfeebles, but Int will be needed to reduce the chances of Resist. "Medic" level will increase the duration of the status.

05 Noise Filter – Inflicts Silence on the target
15 Acid Ball – Lowers Defense of target
27 Tranquilizer – Induces Sleep on target
35 Laughing Gas – Reduces Critical hit rate of target

lvl 5 Forage: Searches area for usable matierials. [3 minute recast]
This is basically like a Rng's Scavenge JA, it allows a Chemist to find base materials to use in creating their Chemicals. Though it can randomly find normal medical items as well.

lvl 10 Chemical Bomb: Allows usage of Elemental Explosives. [1 minute recast]
This ability drains Red Chemicals to allow the Chemist to throw Elemental based items to damage a single target. Each Elemental Explosive must be learned from a Recipe Scroll of the appropriate level and they all share the same recast. The accuracy of these attacks is based on Racc, but the potency is tied to Int and Mab, and enhanced by increased "Medic" level.

10 Firebomb - Cause Fire Damage to a single target
13 Rockbomb - Cause Earth Damage to a single target
17 Aquabomb - Cause Water Damage to a single target
21 Aerobomb - Cause Wind Damage to a single target
26 Icebomb - Cause Ice Damage to a single target
29 Shockbomb - Cause Thunder Damage to a single target

lvl 20 Salve: Increases Chemical consumption to allow next Healing or Defensive recipe used to affect all party members[1 minute recast]
This is only works on some curative and defensive Recipes. Unlike Whm, Chemist's don't have natural AoE cures and buffs so they would use this ability to simulate Curaga type cures. The trade off for not being able to spam AoE cures and such is that a Chem can make many other defensive buffs or DD recipe AoE.

lvl 25 Chemical Blast:Allows usage of larger Elemental Explosives to damage all targets within range. [2 minute recast]
This ability consumes more Red Chemicals to allow the Chemist to throw an AoE Elemental Explosive. As per Chemical Bombs, each Blast Explosive must be learned from a Recipe Scroll of the appropriate level and they all share the same recast. The accuracy of these attacks is based on Racc, but the potency is tied to Int and Mab, and enhanced by increased "Medic" level.

25 Fireblast – Causes Fire Damage to all targets within range
28 Rockblast – Causes Earth Damage to all targets within range
32 Aquablast – Causes Water Damage to all targets within range
36 Aeroblast – Causes Wind Damage to all targets within range
40 Iceblast – Causes Ice Damage to all targets within range
44 Shockblast – Causes Thunder Damage to all targets within range

lvl 40 Complex Compound: Allows usage of Complex Enfeebling Chemicals [1 minute recast]
This ability drains more Yellow Chemicals to allow a Chemist to cast dual efeebles with a single Recipe. Much like Basic Compound and Elemental Explosives, each Compound must be learned from a Recipe Scroll of the appropriate level and they all share the same recast. Racc will be needed to help land the enfeebles, but Int will be needed to reduce the chances of Resist. "Medic" level will increase the duration of the status.

40 Smoke Bomb – Blinds and inflicts Choke on the target
47 Molotov – Inflicts Paralyze and Burn on the target
56 Stickybomb – Slows down Movement and Attack speed on the target
65 Nerve Gas – Lowers the Magic Accuracy and Defense of target

lvl 50 Chemical Burst:Allows usage of highly potent Elemental Explosives to cause severe damage to target. [1 minute 30 seconds recast]
This ability consumes more Red Chemicals then Bomb, but less then Blast, however, they have increased potency and the ability to be used in Magic Bursts. As per other Explosives, each Burst Explosive must be learned from a Recipe Scroll of the appropriate level and they all share the same recast. The accuracy of these attacks is based on Racc, but the potency is tied to Int and Mab, and enhanced by increased "Medic" level.

50 Fireburst – Cause severe Fire Damage to a Single target
55 Rockburst – Cause severe Earth Damage to a Single target
62 Aquaburst – Cause severe Water Damage to a Single target
67 Aeroburst – Cause severe Wind Damage to a Single target
70 Iceburst – Cause severe Ice Damage to a Single target
72 Shockburst – Cause severe Thunder Damage to a Single target

Job Traits
lvl 5 Dispense:Allows use of items on others.
This allows a Chemist to use normal, non-r/e, alchemy made items like eye drops and such on other people. This in the end is nothing more then a nod to chemist jobs of the past.

lvl 15/30/45/70 Resist Paralyze I/II/III/IV: Increases resistance to Paralyze.
Speaks for itself, anyone who's ever tried to use an item while Paralyzed can easily understand why this would be helpful.

lvl 20/40/60 Double Stack I/II/III:Allows conservation of supply space by compression of stackable items.
This ability can only be used on items that stack to 12, and only affects items in a Chem's inventory. Items can not be bazaared, traded, sold to NPCs, set on AH or equiped in any way while in stacks of more then 12. The reason behind this trait is to help alieviate a chemist's inventory problems as they would need to carry supplies to create their Chemicals in addition to needing space to store the Chemicals. Being able to carry 48 items, each of which can make 1-99 of a specific Chemical, in a single slot would certainly reduce their Inven strain.

lvl 30/50/75 Medic I/II/III: Enhance the effects of potions and items used.
This would allow for greater effects from any and all items used, Chemist made or not. For example using a normal Potion, which restores 50 HP, would restore an additional 10HP per Medic lvl. Or using an Eye Drop would also add bar-Blind to the target. Not all items would be affected by this trait though, things like I-Wings won't have any special affects. But most Chemist based items will have much more noticable results.

lvl 40 Throw: Enhances range and accuracy of usable Recipies
Another nod to past Chemists in name, this ability allows a Chemist to get more distance between them and their pt while also giving better Racc for their DD recipes. As Chemists Recipes would naturally have a shorter casting range then spells, they would normally need to get close up to their targets to be effective. This trait would allow them to gain more distance from the fight and increase their own safety.

Recipes
This is basically a Chemists spell list. Though instead of drawing on MP to use their cures and buffs they rely on the numerous Base Chemicals they can create. Stronger spells have higher cast times and use up more Base Chemicals. DD and debuff type spells are cast similar to how a War's Tomahawk or a Drg's Agnon JA works in that an item needs to be equiped in the ammo slot, either a Yellow or Red Chemical, for the Recipe to be Cast. All offensive Recipes will only take effect if thrown item connects, meaning Racc gear will be highly prized by Chemists. The proc and effect of the thrown item however will be based on Int. Curative and defensive Recipes however would just consume items directly from one's inventory, similar to how Ninjutsu works.

While the offensive Recipes are JA based and share recasts based on each category, the defensive and healing Recipes will all be independently used and have their own unique recasts. Stronger Recipes will have longer casting times and consume more Base Chemicals. Recipes marked [Blue] are curative Recipes and Consume Blue Chemicals, while those marked [Green] are enhancements to the player.

01 Tonic – Heals a small amount of HP [Blue]
07 Soothing Balm – Cures Paralyze [Blue]
09 Vigor Booster – Increases Vitality and Defense of Ally [Green]
12 Hi-Tonic – Heals a moderate amount of HP [Blue]
15 Calming Balm – Increases healing rate of HP and MP while resting [Green]
16 Clear Drop – Cures Blind [Blue]
19 Echo Down – Cures Silence [Blue]
20 Mind Booster – Increases Mind and Magic Defense of Ally [Green]
21 Life Tonic – Gradually heals HP over time [Blue]
24 X-Tonic – Heals a great amount of HP [Blue]
25 Pheonix Down – Revives target from KO [Blue]
30 Phantom Drop – Reduces detection from enemies [Green]
38 Hi-Healer – Cures a large amount of status ailments [Blue]
35 Potent Stimulant – Induces more efficient attacks from Ally [Green]
37 Energy Drink – Increases movement speed of Ally [Green]
38 Shock Stimulant – Induces an electric field around Ally [Green]
42 Sharp Stimulant – Induces more effective blows from Ally [Green]
43 Mega-Tonic – Heals a large amount of HP [Blue]
44 Stone Stimulant – Induces a protective skin on Ally [Green]
45 Placebo – Enhances potency and duration of previously applied buff [Green]
49 Soft – Cures Petrify [Blue]
50 Vaccine – Increases resistance to Status effects [Green]
59 Leech Stimulant – Induces life draining attacks from Ally [Green]
65 Precise Stimulant – Induces more critical strikes from Ally [Green]
75 Mirror Stimulant – Induces a reflective barrier on Ally [Green]

*Chemist specific spells
Tonics - These are the basic cures a Chemist will use to heal party members. Unlike the spell Cure, each Tonic will heal a specific and exact amount of HP. Tonic will cure a solid 20 HP, Hi-Tonic will cure a set 70 HP, X-Tonic will cure 160 HP and Mega-Tonic will cure 350 HP. However, increased Medic level will increase the caps of each cure by a minimum of 10hp per level. Life Tonic will be similar to tier one Regen, but like other Tonics, it's potency will increase with Medic level.

Status Cures - As simple as they appear, they will each cure a different status with Hi-Healer acting similar to Erase. However, these too are increased through Medic levels to gain special properties. When influenced by an increase in at least two levels of the Medic Trait, the status cures will also add a status resist to those who it was cast upon. Increasing the Medic trait by two more levels will increase the resistance's effectiveness.

Stimulants - Stimulants are unique party buffs for Chemist to allow them a greater measure of support to the party. The effects of Stimulant will each have a hard cap, however they will be increased through Medic levels. Only two Stimulants can be applied per person at a time so often people will recieve specialized Stimulant buffs to best reflect their job or the current need of the group. Stimulants can be broken down into two types, offensive Stimulants to increase or assist melee damage or defensive Stimulants to reduce damage taken. Potent Stimulant will increase Store TP, Sharp Stimulant increases Subtle Blow, Leech Stimluant will add En-Drain to melee attacks and Precise Stimulant will boost Critical Hit rate. Stone Stimulant will add Stoneskin, Shock Stimulant will grant Shock Spike and Mirror Stimulant will add damage reduction and reflection to the target.

Boosters - Vigor and Mind Boosters will be defensive buffs that stack fully with each other as well as Protect and Shell. They will gain strength through Medic levels to become increasingly effective.

Vaccine and Placebo - Vaccine will be a potent buff to increase the target's resistance to all Status down attacks. It will greatly reduce the duration, and potentially even cause a full resist, of a myriad of enfeebles and debuffs. Placebo is a buff that on it's own will do nothing, but when used after another buff, will greatly increase that buff's potency and duration. Placebo will be effective in increasing all types of magical and item based buffs, however it will have no effect on Ability buffs, songs or rolls.


Skills and Gear
A- Throwing to help them land their DD/Debuff chemicals
A- Mixing, used to determine the success rate of a 'Mix'. Higher lvl means more base chemicals per attempt.
B- Club with access to some DD and most mage clubs
C- Dagger with access to knives, Daggers and Basilards

They'd be able to equip gear similar to a Whm/Smn in that they'd mostly use doublets and robes. This would include some of the thf/rng/cor racc+ JSE gear like the Noct set. They could use round shields and Racc knives. Since there are no Throwing WS, switching to an Archer knife for a ranged attack then back to a Int+ wand or staff mixes/attacks/debuffs wouldn't be too much of a problem. Int and Mab would both be highly useful to Chemists

[Durahansolo]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

Original idea was posted here, but I'll post the finished version since it's...well...finished.

AHA! I knew I saw that somewhere, but for some reason I couldn't find that post.

[Nuriko]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

[quote=ShepardG;825819]Chemist would have these job abilities:

Berserkga- Slows and hastes all the players using heroin and cocain at the same time![/quote]

No, I think Berserkga would be PCP...

[Balfree]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

Mhurron, being snide is OK and makes me laugh sometimes specially when people do it on the internets but at least try to look for better opportunities to do it, or go complain about everything and anything people say somewhere else as its starting to get old and stale.

A Chemist could probably be a jack of all trades like BLU, DNC, RDM and SCH but with some twists that could make it unique like all of those jobs. With both SCH and DNC (well, and SAM... ) SE introduced "Stance" abilities that allow you to fill a role without being too over the top when doing so while also allowing you to change that role and quickly become more powerful at something else but at the cost of being less proficient with the other roles.

Chemist could be kind of like that, when using Mix with ... "Red" chemicals he would be able to come up with stuff like explosive potions or toxic potions that damage an enemy or a group of enemies. When using Mix with "Green" chemicals he could make potions that help allies during battle with some buffs, and when using "Blue" chemicals he could focus on healing potions.

Those potions dont really need to be actual items on your inventory theyre essencially just abilities that you can use. You would have to carry Red, Green and Blue chemicals and Vials, very much like ammo these would be used up each time you did something.

How about stuff that's also unique to the Chemist? Like a potion that makes your food last longer, a potion that makes healing spells heal more HP, a potion that gives you hMP+ or hHP+ (Ok that's not so unique but OK), AOE MP recovering potions.

[Balfree]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

Original idea was posted here, but I'll post the finished version since it's...well...finished.

Nice

[Ziero]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

Well like I said, the original post was unfinished, the updated version has a much more detailed array of abilities and such, including some things you mentioned (i.e. a Spell that increases hHP/hMP). But I wanted to stay away from direct MP curing as there's already three jobs who have that covered.

[Durahansolo]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

This may have been suggested before; however, I haven't been able to find any similar posts, so I guess I will post it as my idea here

The concept is pretty simple actually.. Have a new support job that relies on using summoned Rare/Ex/Temp potions. The idea came to me after they added treasure caskets that drop these temporary potions, and realizing there is the potential for a potion using class that will not ruin the alchemy trade skill.

Early levels: The Chemist would begin with the ability to summon the almighty Potion! Perhaps give it a short cool down timer. As the Chemist progresses towards L20-30 they would add other status curing potions to their arsenal such as Antidotes and Eye Drops. A smart chemist would stock up on potions before joining a party, but there is still the 16 slot limit on temporary potions. As for Job Traits, the chemist would receive a trait allowing him or her to use their temporary potions on other party members. Perhaps around L15 that would gain a 10-15 Cool down ability that turns their next potion used into a party effect.

Mid Levels: The chemist would gain access to stronger potions such as Hi-Potions, Ethers, Silent Oil, and Prism Powder. To prevent imbalance issues though, the Ether would have a much longer recast timer. Other job abilities/trait ideas would be something that could increase your potions to +1 or +2.

High Levels: Upon reaching the final levels, a Chemist would be able to summon Daedulus Wings and perhaps even Phoenix Downs with a longer recast than other potions. Combining high level ethers or daedulus wings with the ability to effect entire party, the Chemist would be a welcome support job indeed.

Other stuff: The job would most likely wear light armor and use mainly daggers and staves. They would probably be slightly more heavily armored than a white mage or black mage. They could also possibly have the ability to summon new offensive potions, or mirror their potions to have the opposite of the stated effect on enemies, making them more than a purely defensive support job.

Any comments or further ideas are most welcome!

Also...If they added phoenix downs they should be CHM only and not accessible to /CHM. There should also be other medicines that are CHM only, otherwise it would be tackled and everybody would sub it lol. Also like the idea of the medicines having opposite effects on enemies.

[Ziero]

Re: Idea: New Job: Chemist

Why would Pheonix Downs have to be Chm only? Raise isn't Whm/Rdm/Sch/Pld only. Chemist should be a useful (solo) Subjob while still being a strong main job in it's own right.