Job with the worst macros

[Necropolis]

Re: Job with the worst macros

For me, it's often RDMs that have the most annoying macros. I think it leaves a bigger impression since they cast more often than most jobs. If I wish to see what others are casting, I turn the filter for 'actions started on/by party members' to the off position. I really don't need to see you curing, paralyzing, dia'ing, silencing, hasting, refreshing, et cetera...

But any job can have annoying macros. Most recently I had a rng with a <call> in his pull macro, not a call14-20 which are a little less irritating but just <call>. Guess what genius, we're in an exp party, we made you puller, I'm expecting you to come back with a mob and don't need to be alerted to it every time you pull.

Also had a WAR in my old LS that had a macro for everything. I don't care that you're using Berserk, Voke, (.(.(._.).).) or any other job ability. Even had a macro for Tonko. Why the hell would I care that you're casting Tonko?!?

What I find more annoying that exp/merit party macros (since I rarely pay attention in them any ways) is all the flavor and spam macros in events. I set my chat window to have max lines and to hold LS and Party chat at the top so I don't miss important things in dynamis and such. But having 20+ melee spamming Utsusemi macros, boost, berserk, defender, and so forth really makes it pain to see the pullers/leaders instructions. How am I going to sleep the mobs while sifting through mountains of chat spam?

In events I think there needs to be a minimal amount of spam. TP (if we're skill chaining), 2hr for certain circumstances, Stun if theres a stun order; and more specifically for dynamis, 1 (one) single provoke macro so that we know when the paladin has moved to the next mob.

[Dymlos]

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I don't mind flavor text as long as it's done with good taste. I did kill off my flavor text for my JA but I kept them for my WS macros. I do hate the Naruto flavor-text macros since it has no point in Vana'diel. >.>

[KoukiRyu]

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Just about one of the worst macros I ever saw was made by a rl friend of mine. He was leveling WAR in the dunes, and I came to exp with him for fun. He was pulling with provoke...and his provoke macro looked like;

/p come here you little shit
/ja Provoke <t>

And the worst part, was that he didn't really grasp that provoke was rather short range. So every time he went to pull, the chat looks like;

(buddy)come here you little shit
(buddy)come here you little shit
<linkshell> random chat
(buddy) come here you little shit
etc...

It makes me laugh now, but back then, I could tell everyone in the part including myself, thought he was an idiot, lol.

[Lunaryn]

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For me, it's often RDMs that have the most annoying macros. I think it leaves a bigger impression since they cast more often than most jobs. If I wish to see what others are casting, I turn the filter for 'actions started on/by party members' to the off position. I really don't need to see you curing, paralyzing, dia'ing, silencing, hasting, refreshing, et cetera...

I would respond to this that RDM is often the most heavily criticized by fellow party members given the significant expectations people have from the job. Macros with /p for key spells is one of the ways as a mage that you can prove to an annoyed party that yes, in fact, you are doing your job.

There is something to be said for having a non-spam set (or going from menus) for parties that are more inclined to trust you're doing your job and want to focus on other things, but I think there are a lot of party situations in which this sort of attention-drawing is justified.

[Truece]

Re: Job with the worst macros

I would respond to this that RDM is often the most heavily criticized by fellow party members given the significant expectations people have from the job. Macros with /p for key spells is one of the ways as a mage that you can prove to an annoyed party that yes, in fact, you are doing your job.

I agree. I put a simple /p Dispel >>> <t> line in my dispel macro so that the annoying PT members (you know the ones... they have x, y, and z jobs at 75 ,are in uber-HNMLS, can debuff a mob before buffs itself, and are obviously God's gift to all parties...) see that I'm paying attention, and am dispelling the buff just as soon as I can.

[WishMaster3K]

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Well as a Tank, I see what's hitting the mob, so I can tell if a RDM is doing their job or not.

[Evion]

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I'd say SMN because I find them more likely to have stupid macros FTL. Anyway, does anyone know a good link to a macro website? Specifically, one to set up a RDM.

[Necropolis]

Re: Job with the worst macros

I would respond to this that RDM is often the most heavily criticized by fellow party members given the significant expectations people have from the job. Macros with /p for key spells is one of the ways as a mage that you can prove to an annoyed party that yes, in fact, you are doing your job.

There is something to be said for having a non-spam set (or going from menus) for parties that are more inclined to trust you're doing your job and want to focus on other things, but I think there are a lot of party situations in which this sort of attention-drawing is justified.

I concede that with rdm in particular, and any support role in general, it goes both ways. I hate the spam both ways though. I know my job in a party, you don't have to request haste plz! 15 times and if your a mnk fuck off with your request for poisona while I'm resting. Still however, my beef would be more with the people spamming the request. If they wish to see the rdm casting dispel and such they need to adjust their chat filters. All of that is readily available built into the game.

If you're more reserved and don't like to speak out about the constant request there is a simple solution. Don't give them what they want. They will stop requesting it when they die :x

[Armando]

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I'd say SMN because I find them more likely to have stupid macros FTL. Anyway, does anyone know a good link to a macro website? Specifically, one to set up a RDM.

Macros are something personal, so while job-specific macro guides are possible, they're somewhat stupid/pointless compared to just learning how to make macros in general. It's all in using the text commands. Any text command can go on a macro. Aside from the basic /p, /say, /echo, /em and the likes, there's...

/ja "Ability Name" <target>
/ma "Spell Name" <target>
/ws "WS Name" <target>
/item "Item Name" <target>
/ra <target>

/ra = Ranged Attack. Ability/Spell/WS/Item names are case-sensitive. The quotation marks are only necessary if the name is two words or more, but it's good practice to use them regardless. As for valid targets...
Player's name - Self-explanatory
<t> - current target
<st> - brings up the targeting arrow and lets you choose from any available targets
<stpc> - brings up the targetting arrow, only lets you choose from nearby players
<stnpc> - brings up the targetting arrow, only lets you choose from nearby NPCs
<lastst> - last target
<me> - Yourself

Examples:
/p Pulling <t>!
/ra <t>

/ja "Defender" <me>

/ma "Cure IV" Tanksname

/ma "Sleep II" <stnpc>
/p Casting sleep on <lastst>, stop attacking it!

Then there's "/wait x" which waits x seconds before running the next line (only accepts integers though. And finally there's equipment changes. /equip slot "Gear Name". E.g. /equip head "Irn.Msk. Armet +1"

Figure out what works for you from there.

P.S. don't put two chat messages or two actions back to back (unless you're using <st/pc/npc> for your actions.) The game runs the lines too fast. You'll need a /wait 1 between them or alternate chat and action lines. And if you don't know what a command does, type /? commandname in-game. Like /? echo

[Evion]

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Nice info!

[Necropolis]

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/ra = Ranged Attack. Ability/Spell/WS/Item names are case-sensitive. The quotation marks are only necessary if the name is two words or more, but it's good practice to use them regardless.

Abilities, spells and such are actually no longer case sensitive. They changed that in the update where they added the requirement to have <t> or some variant at the end.

Personally I like it before, I could easily cast less used spells by have a person targeted and typing /ma Stona; however now I can /ma stoNa <t> or <stpc> or the like. Typically in macros I used the auto-translate verson or spell them as they appear in the menu. Just a minor annoyance that they added the requirement to have the <t> at the end regardless of what you have targeted.

[Murphie]

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But any job can have annoying macros. Most recently I had a rng with a <call> in his pull macro, not a call14-20 which are a little less irritating but just <call>. Guess what genius, we're in an exp party, we made you puller, I'm expecting you to come back with a mob and don't need to be alerted to it every time you pull.

I prefer not to have any /P in my macros, but I've found that when I'm pulling, parties want to know when I've grabbed a mob, so it's just easier to have a /p Ranged Attack >>> <t> in there, so that they don't think it's ok to go grab a sandwich, or pull a mob that pops close to camp.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that having a loud call in your macro is annoying, or that parties that aren't stupid won't AFK for a sandwich without saying anything or grab a mob without telling the puller.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I'd say SMN because I find them more likely to have stupid macros FTL. Anyway, does anyone know a good link to a macro website? Specifically, one to set up a RDM.

How about this: Red Mage Macros: A Tutorial

You can always find the link to it (and other interesting info) in The Red Mage Index.

[Pteryx]

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What I hate most aren't flavor macros from a specific job so much as flavor macros of specific types:

* Shout macros. Absolutely no excuse. Fortunately exceedingly rare.
* Say/emote macros. Just about as bad, and more common. Worse, if you complain you tend to get a "dont tell me how to play lol"... These seem to be most common amongst SMNs and BSTs, though you notice it more with SMNs because they tend to actually party.
* Macros with poor spelling and grammar... just like I dislike the same problems elsewhere.
* Inappropriate and un-clever pop culture reference macros. "Kage Bunshin"-using NINs, I'm looking at you. Utsusemi more closely resembles plain Bunshin, geez. Then there was that DRG who used the Lion Voltron assembly speech for Call Wyvern. WTF?
* Going really, really over-the-top and pretentious with the Vana'diel-flavored macros. This tends to be mostly a SMN issue as well.
* Exceedingly unoriginal macros. Does every NIN think (-(-(-_-)-)-) is making it their own?

As an aside, while I use flavor macros even at 75, 1) I've received far more compliments than complaints (and only two of the latter, one of which was justified) and 2) if the option were there, I'd have them only actually proc 25% of the time, much like in FFT (my inspiration/style guide for them). -- Pteryx

[WishMaster3K]

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I felt that in FFT they didn't proc enough. But. I guess that's a good point, because Agrias would have been less cool if she said the same things over and over. Jeanne D'Arc has a good balance as well with that, and they things they say randomly after attacks are usually hilarious and in context

*After a critical* 3 people will say good job or something. What's funny is when after something happens, if a bunch of people have a reaction for it and the thought bubbles overlap. I actually think that's pretty funny. The main characters also talk shit after they Armlet transform.

That said, a lot of Vana'diel stuff in macros is out of Context. I personally would hate to pray to Altana all the time to summon a fucking Blue Squirrel.

The only time I really RP is in my Two Hours, and I rarely use them, so I like seeing, "FOR MINAS TIRITH" when I use Invincible.

I hate RPs on Flee though and the multiple emoticon faces on Utsuemi. A lot of shit is annoying.

Oh, and people that macro emotes.