Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

[AverRal]

I might be purchasing the game with my boyfriend soon and we would like to play together most of the time.

I would like to know what combinations are most suitable given that one of us do not mind being a full support while the other is a full attacker.

We are into PVP and he would like to know which classes does the most damage given that i am able to support him through healing/singing.

our most prefered combination is BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN

We are open to other classes (if there are better combinations available)

please do assist us by commenting, critisms welcomed.

[Mog]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

In terms of desirability, bard (you) and paladin (him) would be great. Both of them are jobs that are always needed in experience parties and neither of you will go long before getting a party. This just brings up a question....does he want to deal damage in parties? Does he want to be the tank (keep the hate of the monster). It all depends on what his preference is.

We are into PVP and he would like to know which classes does the most damage given that i am able to support him through healing/singing.

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Ok....before you look any further keep in mind that:



1. PvP is not in any means a large topic in FFXI. It takes the form of a game between two countries and it's not an integral part of FFXI in terms of leveling and storyline, so if you're looking for a huge PvP game, then you're looking in the wrong place.

[Icemage]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

PvP is a pretty small element in FFXI. It's more of a mini-game in the design, rather than the omnipresent element that hovers over most other MMORPGs, since you really don't get much of anything other than some nifty titles and a tiny bit of XP from doing PvP.

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For pure damage, no one deals damage in a hurry quite the way Monks do. Rangers also deal a lot of damage, but their defensive options are much weaker, even with a Ninja subjob for some defense.

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As a duo, the strongest combination at max level is probably BRD/WHM + THF/NIN. Thieves are good at damage, have the best evasion in the game, and thus bleed very little enmity (and are low-maintenance, which is a requirement when playing as a duo).

However, all of the above is pretty moot; if neither of you has started playing yet, you need to realize that the road to level 75 is a long one, and you can't duo your way there on those jobs - you'll need some outside help at many points along the way.


Icemage

[AverRal]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

Ok thanks for the replies guys.. to clarify up some things

1. We are ok with PVP being not the main point of the game. We want to do well in PVP as a duo with a good combination.

2. Do RAN/NIN or NIN/THF does higher damage? (ignoring defense)

3. Do BRD spells help to increase exp gain proportionately given that is a duo party (exp is divided into 2) instead of a party of 6.

thank you !

[Jei]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

The combination of Brd and Nin (or Whm and Nin) will make it easier to form groups. You already have 2 of the most important members with you, the healer and the tank. The rest can be filled up pretty quickly.

Can't answer 1 because I hardly ever PvP hehe ^^ except with my LS.

2. Do RAN/NIN or NIN/THF does higher damage? (ignoring defense)

Rangers are the damage dealer. Ninja is more of a hybrid between tank/DD/debuffer. Ninja is good at dodging hits with their ninjutsu. So if you're looking at pure damage, it's Ranger all the way.

3. Do BRD spells help to increase exp gain proportionately given that is a duo party (exp is divided into 2) instead of a party of 6.

1 song from Brd spell can affect every members in the group. So singing for 5 other people of course will raise the efficiency of your group far more than 1 person can be.

In terms of pure EXP tho, after level 15 or so, it is always faster to EXP with a group of 6. Unless you got some really crappy group going ^^

[neighbortaru]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

1. well as support, you are, inevitably, the squishy target so...

2. NIN/war is better than NIN/thf for damage. As for RNG/nin + NIN/war, yes it's pretty good damage, but also extremely expensive (you've picked the two most expenisve jobs in the game). Not recommended for most beginners.

3. No. Only "spell" like ability that will increase XP is Corsairs' Roll otherwise, XP is split /2

[Mog]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

Ok thanks for the replies guys.. to clarify up some things

1. We are ok with PVP being not the main point of the game. We want to do well in PVP as a duo with a good combination.

2. Do RAN/NIN or NIN/THF does higher damage? (ignoring defense)

3. Do BRD spells help to increase exp gain proportionately given that is a duo party (exp is divided into 2) instead of a party of 6.

thank you !

2. RNG/NIN is good for utsusemi, which creates shadows around you, so that if you get hit and get too much hate, your shadow will absorb it. In terms of damage, I'm sure it contributes quite a bit.

As for NIN/THF, this is not a good combination for xp parties. You will generally want to sub WAR for NIN, because once you hit the higher levels, you're going to practically be the tank for 99% of the parties you join. /WAR is so sought out after, because you're able to provoke the enemy if somebody else gets the hate instead of you.

3. BRD songs don't effect XP, but they generally reduce the amount of downtime between fights. Just to say....get the idea of duoing out of your head.....at least until you hit the higher levels.

[AverRal]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

As a sidetrack in the case of us wanting to duo to gain exp

should i

1. Stay BRD/WHM or RDM/WHM while he chooses RNG/NIN?

thanks for the replies!

[Taskmage]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

One thing to consider about rng is that in order to deal good damage with ranged attacks, you have to actually stand at a distance from the mob. If the two of you are going to be duoing and he deals more damage, the mob is always going to be coming towards him and not allowing him to actually stand at a range and deal damage.

[neighbortaru]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

duoing the whole way through for XP is really, really hard. The game was not designed/balanced for solo/duo/trio/etc play. 6 ppl is the standard by which this game revolves. The only exception (so far) is the BST job and they are giving us a quick kick in the rear too.

In theory, you might be able to do RDM/whm + RNG/nin the whole way through if you exclusively hunt worms. However, 1. it'll be expensive 2. there won't always be worms to hunt at your level

[Jei]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

Rdm is another very strong supporting job. But with Ranger, I say go with Brd.

[Taskmage]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

I really think the brd/whm + thf/nin option is your best bet. Both jobs are pretty low maintainence both in terms of the downtime they produce and the equipment they need to be effective. After 25, I hear thf/nin is a pretty good soloer, with bloody bolts to regain hp and evasion boosted utsusemi to avoid damage. With a brd along for support it should be even easier. If your b/f is interested specifically in ranged attacks, thf is pretty good with those too, but there is that problem with ranged attacks in a duo like I said. You'll have the benefit of thf's treasure hunter ability to help you earn money for yourselves, and if you get into trouble you can escape fairly easily with thf's flee and/or brd's mazurka abilities.

Brd, nin, and rng are all advanced jobs though, so you'll have to level some other job to level 30 before you can get them.

[AverRal]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

Brd, nin, and rng are all advanced jobs though, so you'll have to level some other job to level 30 before you can get them.

Sorry, i am getting abit confused here.

1. So i am not able to start out as a brd/nin or rng as a main job?

2. At lvl30 it is possible to switch all your jobs ( e.g: from WHM/BLM to BRD/WHM ?)


please explain , thank you.

[Desideratum]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

When you start the game, you only have six jobs available to you:

Warrior, Monk, Thief, White Mage, Red Mage, Black Mage

Also, you can only have a main job. You don't gain the ability to have a subjob until you have reached level 18 and completed a quest.

After that, you have to obtain level 30 in any of those six starting jobs in order to unlock the other 12 jobs. Some are harder to unlock than others, but by that time you will have hopefully made a few friends who can help you. At that point you can start to work on the job combinations that you are leaning towards (BRD/WHM and RNG/NIN?)

[AverRal]

Re: Duoing - BRD/WHM & RAN/NIN questions

I am thinking of buying the game without the third expansion right now.

When my boyfriend gets the game next month (the whole collection with the third expansion releases on 7 Nov ) am i able to install the third expansion with his CD?

Is there some registeration code involved?

Or should i wait for the whole collection to launch next month and buy both of them together?