Which job has the WORST accuracy associated with it?

[fastcart]

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Ok. This happened tonight...

I joined a merit/IS pt with a Drk. We went to Mount Zhayolm to xp off Trolls and Black Puddings (Bill Cosby didn't show up ufortunately). I went as Sam. The Drk used a Great Sword so we could make Light SC. No lie... I used a ws three times in the time it take for him to gain 100% tp. More if I used Meditate. He became increasingly frustrated because he knew he was sucking.

After about 90 minutes of this, he said "I know why I can't hit... I was beside a mage when he ate AoE food." The food lasts 3 hrs. I was skeptical, but didn't say anything. I did notice he hadn't used food in since we started. So, he decided to suicide to get rid of the food affect... ;; We tried to dissuade him, but he told us he could continue missing for another 90 minutes or he could suicide and begin hitting.

After he disbanded and soloed a Black Pudding, our Whm used Raise 3 on him. Lo and behold, he started hitting and gaining tp. Not as fast as I was, but it was a marked improvement.

The only thing I'm confused about is why it took him 90 minutes to figure out the issue? You'd think he'd notice if he never ate food... ;;

Morale of the story: If you're a Drk and missing a lot, just say you stood by a mage when they ate AoE food. ^^

[VZX]

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or probably better for those who'll AoE food give a notice to everyone in PT that they are going to pop it

[Dryhus]

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Maybe the DRK popped sushi during battle and didn't notice that it didn't take effect. He probably saw the food icon and thought all was lovely.

[TheGrandMom]

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We went to Mount Zhayolm to xp off Trolls and Black Puddings (Bill Cosby didn't show up ufortunately).

Morale of the story: If you're a Drk and missing a lot, just say you stood by a mage when they ate AoE food. ^^

So you did end up getting a merit pt? I got 3 merits in mine last night but it had to break quick because we had to go do Temperence in Sea.

We have a drk in our ls that I LOVE to harass about his acc. Elvaan drk to boot! Once you reach endgame you can start camping/buying better equips that really make a huge difference. I think its just hard for lower lvl drks to obtain some of the better equips and thats what gives them such a bad name.

[Ziero]

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[OFFTOPIC]Super Jump gives TP?[/OFFTOPIC]

Sorry, my Drg is lvl 2 so I never used a jump. I just figured since the other two did so would the third. Either way, that's still two extra instant TP boost for Drg.

As for that Drk who gained tp at 1/3rd the Sams speed, was he subbing Thf? If so that's what the problem was right there. If you as a Sam subbed War you would have a lower delay weapon, Zanshin, double attack and numerous Store TP traits to boost your tp gain. The Drk would have none of those thus his low attack speed and crappy tp gain.

Also, I thought single target food overwrote the AoE foods, and that an AoE food will have no effect on someone who already ate a single target food. O.o



Now back on topic, of all the up close Melee jobs, Thf and Nin would technically have the 'worst' acc as their highest weapon rating is an A-. Most other DD jobs have an A+ weapon cap, thus gaining more acc and attack. But again, they both have 'tp tricks' to speed up their tp gain givining the impression of high acc.

[fastcart]

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Yeah, he was drk/thf and I was sam/war using Soboro (cheating a bit I know).

Dryhus, if he did that, he'd get the error that he was already full...

Ziero, I have no idea how AoE foods work.

TGM-y, yeah eventually. We only got 5k xp though. The ninja dced after 900 xp and I was main tank for the next 4100 (none of the other tanks would respond to the whm leader). I did quite well. The Blm said I held hate better than some ninjas.

[Ziero]

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Though I may not be high enough to participate in a meripo/is pt, I do know one thing. Drk/thf is one of THE slowest tp gaining jobs in game, and when compared to a Sam/war with the 'Ridill' of Gkatanas it's not even a contest. It's not due to low acc though, but the fact that Drk/thf not only has none of the previous 'TP tricks' mentioned before, but they also often cast spells which slow their TP gain even more.

High delay + Spell casting - Tp gaining tricks = Slowest tp gain in game. SE did a lot to limit the potential of Drks =(

[Aeni]

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Though I may not be high enough to participate in a meripo/is pt, I do know one thing. Drk/thf is one of THE slowest tp gaining jobs in game, and when compared to a Sam/war with the 'Ridill' of Gkatanas it's not even a contest. It's not due to low acc though, but the fact that Drk/thf not only has none of the previous 'TP tricks' mentioned before, but they also often cast spells which slow their TP gain even more.

High delay + Spell casting - Tp gaining tricks = Slowest tp gain in game. SE did a lot to limit the potential of Drks =(

The only way to remedy this situation for a DRK is to keep haste on (*glares at all the slacking WHMs and RDMs out there) The effect is tremendous on a Gsword wielding DRK since the delay is lower than Scythe but the Gsword produces much less TP because of this.

I have roughly +58 in Acc bonus now at 72 (Counting Balmung acc) which I use it in conjunction with Squid Sushi +1 as a DRK/THF. Have not had much acc problems like this.

(Reason why Squid Sushi +1? It costs much less than a stack of NQ Sole Sushi ... I'm being serious here >.> )

But I agree with Ziero. In the early 60s, I was really having some difficult times. Sole Sushi, Haubu, Sniper's etc. still couldn't allow me to hit properly. Then I noticed this.

Every time you just leveled as a DRK, your accuracy seems to go in the gutter. It doesn't seem to pickup until about 1/2 through the next level.

Capping to Blue for your current level seems to do the trick in keeping hit rate consistent.

Equipment swapping seems to be more detrimental to TP gaining than anything else. Keep the swapping to a minimal (For instance, keep it to accessories) I noticed if I'm constantly swapping body parts just for WS, I more than likely increase my chances that I'm going to miss the swing after by about 80% or almost effectively guaranteeing I'm going to miss a swing.

[Brodrik]

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I've never seen equipment swapping cause delay problems.

Unfortunately, having Haste doesn't up your tp gain too much relative to other jobs because other jobs will probably get the Haste, too. :p

[little ninja]

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to be honest i always felt drk had a -acc hidden trait. there were times i was at +43 acc, fighting Vt with a war with +15 acc, an they always had a better stat log then i did. he used reg food, an i always used the Hq food, so i was never caught in a fight with no food. still dont know how that is.. puzzles me to this day.

[Feba]

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This one time, a Dark Knight and a Dragoon were throwing rocks at the ground.

They kept it up, and made somewhat of a game of it, trying to see if they could break the rocks, or smash the ground with it.


The Dark Knight was winning, because of his high strength. The Dragoon never bothered throwing Pebbles before.

All of a sudden, the Dark Knight missed.

[Karinya]

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Though I may not be high enough to participate in a meripo/is pt, I do know one thing. Drk/thf is one of THE slowest tp gaining jobs in game, and when compared to a Sam/war with the 'Ridill' of Gkatanas it's not even a contest. It's not due to low acc though, but the fact that Drk/thf not only has none of the previous 'TP tricks' mentioned before, but they also often cast spells which slow their TP gain even more.

High delay + Spell casting - Tp gaining tricks = Slowest tp gain in game. SE did a lot to limit the potential of Drks =(

High delay doesn't lower their TP gain. Lack of Double Attack is the main culprit in the TP department. /THF really, really gimps DRK's damage and TP gain. Unfortunately going /WAR can kill them (they get hate very very easy), so what can you do?

DRK has no accuracy booster (Focus, Aggressor), no TP traits or abilities like SAM, and no multi-attack trait. Any other DD job has at least one of those natively and often another through SJ; but DRK have such high natural hate that they often go /THF even though /THF does nothing to improve damage, attack rate or TP gain.

Good thing there's more to damage dealing than TP... although you wouldn't know it by listening to certain people.

Also, Soboro isn't the Ridill of GKs. It's the Kraken Club of GKs. Its damage is pathetically low. 3 Kashas for 200 are not necessarily better than one for 600.

[Hamlet]

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The only way to remedy this situation for a DRK is to keep haste on (*glares at all the slacking WHMs and RDMs out there)

Sometimes, there just isn't enough mp/time to haste everyone. Haste is 40mp per cast, and spread that over 3 melees, and that's 120 mp like 3 times every two fights. That's 360 mp for two fights, which is substantial. It's nice if I'm able to do it, but if I'm main healing or my mp is otherwise being drained, it's just not going to happen.

(*glares at drks who suck at hitting because they don't have good gear and try to blame the mages)

[Brodrik]

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There is no "natural hate". Dark Knights gain hate from damage, the same as any other DD, and from Job Abilities. The latter is very easy to control. In my experience, /Thf is used not for hate control, but to increase the damage of Spinning Slash when it is closing Light (and to ensure that said weaponskill actually hits). In basically any other situation, /War is better.

[Lmnop]

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err that's what Karinya was basically saying. They gain rediculous amounts of hate just by "acting natural." And yea, SA Spinning slash is nice, but we know that if you really wanted damage (exp talk), /war would prolly do better.

About DEX:
We know that STR and Attack are both important for dealing damage. This game is all about not having absolutes. And I guess it's been proven that 2 dex = 1 acc just as 2 str = 1 attack. We'd be stupid to think that Dex is only figured that one time as a half-rate acc.

That in mind, as an Elvaan Warrior, my Base STR at 60 was somewhere between 15 and 20 points higher than my Dex. Elvaan base dex is the same grade as Mithra base str, if I'm not mistaken. So a Mithra Thief level 60 should have the same Dex as an elvaan warrior level 60 has str. That's about +10 acc just in dex advantage, plus any theoretical applications of DEX.

Ninjas and Monks aren't too far behind. Their dex growth is higher than sam, war, drk, drg; but lower than thf. However, it does give them a passive advantage.