Pld vs Nin- a non issue?

[Hamlet]

I know this issue was addressed with a recent update, but I still think people will choose a nin over a pld even with the shield update and auto refresh. The thing is, I don't think it's a very big issue to begin with.

As a rdm, if there is a bard of the same lvl with updated sub, I pretty much expect them to get invited over me. There's rare instances where rdm is better, but generally speaking, bard is better for support. The thing is, it isn't often that there is a bard seeking at the same time I am.

So, there's a job that's better than my job at what I do, but it ends up being a non issue. I would assume the same goes for pld and nin.

[Omni]

Re: Pld vs Nin- a non issue?

its not really the same issue.

please let's not start another one of these threads. im sure you had enough of them on alla, and we sure as well have. the whole topic name is just a ball of flame waiting to happen. ><

[kuu]

Re: Pld vs Nin- a non issue?

Monster specific.

Spiders hit nin's hard now since sickle slash is 3 hits. Goblin rush also. etc. Lots of thing Nins used to tank while watching simpsons are erased.

The only issue pretty much is on endgame merits where mp is your weakest link, and pld get shafted.

Of course the flip side is, nin's don't tank much of the HNMs.

[Icemage]

Re: Pld vs Nin- a non issue?

Re: PLD vs. NIN

Good players understand that some enemies are easier with PLD versus NIN and will adjust accordingly. Fast attackers are better tanked with PLD, slow attackers with NIN. Even against ones where one tank is superior, you can still do just fine even with the "wrong" tank as long as you use some common sense and set up your party accordingly.

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Re: BRD vs. RDM

Speaking as someone who is levelling RDM at the moment and has Bard at level 75, I've never felt inferior to a bard when playing RDM. Bard gives some significant boosts to attack and MP regeneration speed, it's true, but:

- As RDM/BRD, I offer superior MP regen (4/tick) to a main job bard (3/tick).
- I can main heal - a Bard cannot.
- I can Slow and Paralyze and Silence - Bards can only Elegy.
- Dispel has a much faster recast and Finale does (important against enemies that spam defensive buffs, such as Crabs).

Every job is different - the secret to success is finding the combination that works for your current party, and playing with skill.


Icemage

[ChimeraOfLakshmi]

Re: Pld vs Nin- a non issue?

I have always trusted a good PLD over a good NIN, its just me. I think PLD is much more suited to tanking. But differences make the world go 'round. Thats the great thing about games like these, you can experience many different jobs and roles. I guess i've just had some not so "fun" experiences with NIN tanking. But like others have said before, a PLD tank is suited to more "aggressive" mobs than a NIN tank would be. I leveled WHM for a while and always found it boring with a NIN tank. To each his own I suppose.

[Hamlet]

Re: Pld vs Nin- a non issue?

Re: BRD vs. RDM

Speaking as someone who is levelling RDM at the moment and has Bard at level 75, I've never felt inferior to a bard when playing RDM. Bard gives some significant boosts to attack and MP regeneration speed, it's true, but:

- As RDM/BRD, I offer superior MP regen (4/tick) to a main job bard (3/tick).
- I can main heal - a Bard cannot.
- I can Slow and Paralyze and Silence - Bards can only Elegy.
- Dispel has a much faster recast and Finale does (important against enemies that spam defensive buffs, such as Crabs).

I also like rdm/bard. It's fun but BUSY!

You're points are valid, I just personally think the attack boost brd provides overshadows our def boost (with better enfeebling). Rdm can help a little with gravity, just as bard can help enfeeb a little.

[Ciros]

Re: Pld vs Nin- a non issue?

It all depends on what kind of party you're building.

For example, if you're going to chain crabs, which hit slowly but powerfully, a NIN would be better, seeing as how most of the damage could be negated with shadows.

However, if you were fighting mandragoras (or spiders, depending on the sickle slash potency) a PLD would be better, due to the rate that they would rip through shadows.

Just my opinion.

[Jei]

Re: Pld vs Nin- a non issue?

When I play PLD, in order to perform my job good, I need either Rdm or Cor in my group. So there definitely some limitting factor here.
But as far as Hate is concern, PLD is much, much easier to hold hate compare to Nin (51PLD 50Nin here)
from 48-51 I had a Thf in my group. And his SATA Viper couldn't turn the mob off me I'm actually pretty proud about that.

When playing my 61BLM, I have to be extra cautious nuking with Ninja tanks. casting tier 3 spells twice too close to each other is all it takes to call hate to myself. Even stunning the monster to help Nin cast ichi can call the mob to me. And without THF SATA closing skillchain on the Nin, I can't even throw out ~ga spells to MB. It will mean death, to me.

For Whm and Rdm tho I can see Nin giving them a really easy time over PLD.
Nin - need haste
PLD - need hast refresh regen cure.

[Aeni]

Re: Pld vs Nin- a non issue?

It all depends on what kind of party you're building.

For example, if you're going to chain crabs, which hit slowly but powerfully, a NIN would be better, seeing as how most of the damage could be negated with shadows.

However, if you were fighting mandragoras (or spiders, depending on the sickle slash potency) a PLD would be better, due to the rate that they would rip through shadows.

Just my opinion.

Well, you do stop exp'ing on mandy type mobs after a while (The nasty sleepga II/III type of aoe attacks aren't worth fighting them in upper levels) A better example would be on monsters such as raptors, where a PLD will be a lot better than a NIN (That was just my own personal experience anyhow) On Manticores, however, a NIN would be much more desirable, especially since the MP down effect would be devastating for anyone with a mana pool...

But Kuu is right. In meripo situations, it's like anyone with mana gets the shaft (except BLMs and SMNs can go on their own burn runs) On an aside, does anyone do arrow burns anymore?