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[Ravd]

ok im going to eventually be getting these jobs but iwanna kno if there is any specific order i should get them in like if i should get one so i can sub with another or just plain wat i should sub with them its not a very hard question

drk
pal
sum
nin
drg
blu
maybe brd

[Onaga]

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drk, nin, pld, blu and drg you can use war sub with so that maybe a good job to start with. If you want to go mage (blu, brd and smn) then get leveling whm. Nothing of them there really sub with each other.

[Slaneyder the Tiny]

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Drk...may God have mercy on your soul.

Subs: thf, war, basically anything melee flavored besides nin. In lower levels, a lot of party leaders will want you to sub war for an off-voke, and that's okay. I personally like thf, though.

Pld, you will always sub war. Unless you find yourself in a funky situation where nin would be advantageous.

For smn, you want to sub whm in xp parties. Or when you don't, choose rdm. Rarely ever have I seen a smn with nin or blm, but I HAVE seen it before.

Nin is another full-time war sub. Unless you get ambitious or want to solo a bit, in which case rdm works well, I hear.

Drg can sub almost anything, but it's the same deal with drk. Early parties will want you to sub war. For drg, I immensely enjoy thf subbed.

Drg is a bit different though. Your wyvern type depends on what you have subbed. I think it's better explained in a guide here somewhere, so I'll shoot you the link once I find it.

Blu, nobody's really positive about yet. It seems to be able to sub just about anything. But, I haven't tried the job yet, so I'll keep my mouth shut on this one.

Brd is almost always subbing whm.

As to which order you go in? Doesn't matter. Do whatever tickles your fancy.

[TenchiHawkwing]

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ok im going to eventually be getting these jobs but iwanna kno if there is any specific order i should get them in like if i should get one so i can sub with another or just plain wat i should sub with them its not a very hard question

drk
pal
sum
nin
drg
blu
maybe brd

WAR(Even though you didn't list it, it's a good sub for most of these jobs)
NIN; Warrior subjob mostly
SMN; WHM subjob for most instances
BLU; WHM WAR or NIN subjobs have uses
PLD; WAR subjob mainly, NIN subjob has some use endgame and on some missions
BRD; Primarily uses WHM subjob, sometimes NIN
DRG; WAR and THF subjobs are common; WHM RDM and on occasion BRD for solo
DRK; WAR and THF subjobs are common; NIN has uses.

[levish]

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if this is your first job i'd suggest you start with blm -> level 18 (at which point do subjob quest) then switch to whm -> 37 then take up rdm -> 75 to make your trip through the levels the 1st time through a bit easier.

Redmage being in demand and highly useful pretty much from the jobs begining till the end.

take a look at the respective forums for each jobs for suggestions for each job.

Starting off with a melee job in pickup parties will be a excercise in frustration, and i really mostly reccomended melee jobs 1st when you are in a static and that role is needed.

[Slaneyder the Tiny]

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Red mage may be in demand and always useful, but it's not easy. Of all the other jobs out there, I'd say the only job that matches (and in my opinion, exceeds) a Red Mage's workload is Bard.

Fighting Maat on Red Mage is expensive and time consuming. The spells are cheap, but the level of performance that people expect from you is rigorous. There are a large amount of people that simply can't handle it.

It's no gravy train to 75, let me tell you.

If you're up for the challenge, then go for it. But read up on what you're getting yourself into first.

[levish]

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Red Mage is involved but i wouldn't call it hard

Bard is a piece of cake as long as melees don't crowd the mages, sing 2 minuet/madrigal while the puller is bringing the mobs then sing ballad x2 for mages, toss a cure or rest as needed.

Bard is FF on easy mode (which I'll get some hate for). The only part of bard that is a little tricky is getting the hang of sleeping adds which you can do mock practice with. It's also the job with the absolute lowest cost in instruments/spells and the one that people have the lowest expectations of (most parties are thrilled to bits to even get one).

[Neomage]

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Dispite the fact that, as others mentioned, RDM is a really in demand class, as is BRD(one of your choices) for another easy route, I would start out as Monk. They can kill stuff pretty easilly bare-handed, so moneyt shouldn't be a problem when you first start out. Take Monk to 18, so Subjob quest, then Warrior/Monk to 37. At this point you should be able to solo some advanced job quests, such as DRK, PLD(if your careful), BLU and if you get some friends, NIN. The best part about this is that MNK and WAR are very easy to level(just use axes on WAR!) and are used as subjobs for PLD, DRG, DRK, NIN and sometimes BLU.

For BRD and SMN you will need a WHM sub, and the WHM needs to sub BLM, so you can also semi follow the route levish laid out for you. I would also try COR out if your interested in BRD, they're kinda similar.

[Jei]

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The spells are cheap, but the level of performance that people expect from you is rigorous. There are a large amount of people that simply can't handle it.

This is very true. IMO it will help you understand about Rdm a lot more from a third person point of view ^^ Post refresh, the performance between the good red mages and the bad are VERY obvious.

Just 2 days ago I PT with a very bad Rdm that I can't remember his name anymore.
Level 49 PT. PLD(me) Whm Rdm Blu. Can't remember what the other 2 melee are, but not MP users.
First fight he refresh only himself. I had to ask for it before he started casting on me. Then the BLU asked for it and he started refreshing the Blu as well. He couldn't keep track of refresh good enough however, a few fights would go by where I recieved no refresh. But at least he gave me and Blu refresh from time to time...

the thing was, the whm didn't ask for refresh. So he ended up not recieving refresh at all... or rarely...

Another thing was, he has close to 700HP with only 280MP I think.
But he kept meleeing *none stop* even when his MP gone down below 50.
And on top of that, he refused to convert saying he was "keeping it for emergancy" and that he has "saved numerous PTs that way" before.

The funny part is, emergancy did happen... and he converted without stoneskin nor blink and right as he converted he got hit and died -.-;

No one in my PT complaint about it however... but after the Rdm left our group most of us agreed the Rdm was really bad...

[Slaneyder the Tiny]

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The funny part is, emergancy did happen... and he converted without stoneskin nor blink and right as he converted he got hit and died -.-;

XD

Priceless.

Honestly though, I've done that before. Only once though, and it was right at level 40.

"Hmm...new abillity! What does this do...?"

[Ravd]

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lol yeah im leaning towards rdm till like 30 ish then ill level war so i can use it as sub jobs i already have my sub job quest done so i donno im just gonna keep going with rdm it seems more fun than the others right now

[Icemage]

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With RDM at level 67 and BRD at 75, I'd say RDM is the more challenging of the two, but they're both challenging different ways.

For BRD, you have 2 minutes between each recasting of songs, and 8 seconds to think about what you're doing while singing each individual song, so it's a very tactical job; you're always thinking ahead about where you're going to stand to include who you need to for each song without attracting the notice of nearby monsters or overlapping songs onto unintended targets.

For RDM, it's all about timing - everything goes in cycles, from Refresh to Convert to Haste. In between these, you have tiny windows of about 4-5 seconds to do what you need to, be it cast enfeebles, cures, magic burst, or any other necessary duties.

In short: Bard is a strategic job, and sort of plays like being the general of an army. Red Mage is like being a juggler, trying to keep multiple short-lived effects on all players in the party.


Icemage

[Ravd]

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hmm the timing thing seems hard but i dont have to worry about that for a lil while right im only 10 that would come in at like 30 right i donno im prob wrong but anyways

[levish]

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as far as rdm is concerned you'll only have to worry about timing @ 40 when you get convert, and then again @ 41 when you have to worry about refresh cycles

till then it's cure/regen or nuking

as a nice side bonus to the very high invite rate for rdm/whm or rdm/blm is the fact that it is also the premier solo artist in the game ( =P bsts and smns bring friends).

[Ravd]

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as a rdm n a party at10 wat should i focus on for magic? i mean i can only do protct for enhancing on others all the others are only for me like barstone bar water bar posion that stuff then i have cure thats it for healing and then my blm stuff all of it up to 10 so bio and thats about it so i dont kno wat my job should be just back up healer and fighter and nuker or should i just stay back as a mage or go up and fight and still be mage