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  • Cant decide between the Black mage and Red mage ; ;

    First of all, I do feel bad posting this since "I cant decide!" topics seem to get posted a lot, but I just...am more stuck then I've ever been lmao.

    Alright, so this will be the third time I've returned to FFXI. I've quit and rejoined for multiple reasons, but this time I intend to stay for a good while since I really missed my friends while I was away. How will I accomplish staying this time you ask? Finding a job I want to level...

    So right now my two highest level jobs are Black and Red Mage. Black mage is level 47 and red mage is 43. White mage is level 24 so it can act as a sub for either and I plan to level it more once I get a few levels on either job (49 on either).

    So I guess the question is what job is for me? It's a difficult question for me to answer because both of these classes, i believe, get decently different after the next few levels. Red Mage has more and more stuff to do and black mages get more powerful and get a few things added to their list of duties as well.

    I, personally, love being actively engaged in my group. When I tried Red Mage the other day I had a blast, but it was also just a good party. I didnt feel incrediably overloaded. I kept everyone that needed refresh refreshed, spewed out my debuffs, did magic bursts when I could and was the secondary healer (set up: ninja, theif, dark knight, black mage, summoner and me). I could have probably added haste to that cycle without much problem once I got the spell, but does it really get as bad as people describe? I've heard tales were almost every party you get into you're required to be 3 mages at once, and while I consider myself a good player I dunno if i could handle that, lmao. If it stays relatively the same work load (give or take a few tasks, like hasting) I think I'd enjoy it since I like staying active, and I LOVE debuffing monsters and being efficent with my Mana. So I guess the question is: How insane does red mage get, and is it like that in every party?

    And then there is black mage, the class I fled to when I rejoined for the first time. I quit FFXI while being a black mage since I kept getting really bored in my parties since I only would launch one spell and a few debuffs, and then throw a heal every so often. However, I dunno if I've given the class enough time. I know I used to have more fun as a black mage, and currently I think I'm stuck in the black mage's 'low point' where they kind of suck until they get the elemental staves. I think having stun will add to the enjoyment of this class because I'll have another job and something keep focused with, but sadly I havent entered a group yet that required it so I dont know for sure. The question I have for this is: Do black mages eventually get more to do, and does our damage scale up a bit again?

    Thanks for the help, and if you have any other comments please do say so. I really want to pick the right class this time and have my worries for both of them either confirmed or denied that way i can make a proper decision. Right now I'm kinda leaning toward red mage, but the tales I've about how hectic being one can be makes me kinda nervous. @_@ I understand it'll be occasinally like that, any job that is versitile has that, but I dunno if I could do it every time I party...

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    Re: Cant decide between the Black mage and Red mage ; ;

    Red Mage is a pretty busy job most of the time. If you're lucky enough to be in a 3+ mage party it's not bad, but sometimes you end up in parties where you have little or no support; I ended up in a PLD RDM + 4 melee TP burn party last week on Red Mage, and that was immensely challenging.

    Black mages are pretty passive, all things considered. You toss a few nukes per fight, maybe a debuff or two, possibly a Stun at a good moment, but most of the time you're resting for MP. BLM duties do increase somewhat, but the job is not nearly as challenging as RDM. BLM damage scales up very well over time - every few levels you get a new and more powerful nuking spell, and the numbers that you can turn out at level 75 are simply jaw-dropping (1000+ damage average on Thunder IV with the right gear...).

    That being said - why choose at all? Play what you feel like - one of the best features of FFXI is the ability to change your current job virtually at will to find your mood and needs.


    Icemage

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    • #3
      Re: Cant decide between the Black mage and Red mage ; ;

      rdm all the way. and once you get 30, grab ninja sub. Rdm/Nin is arguably the strongest solo in the game.

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      • #4
        Re: Cant decide between the Black mage and Red mage ; ;

        Rdm is not a strong soloer yet until we got both refresh and phalanx imo. And /nin is not overly powerful yet until you can sub it as /37Nin. Those are quite later to come.
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        • #5
          Re: Cant decide between the Black mage and Red mage ; ;

          ok i have BLM,RDM and WHM levelled up.
          RDM is my highest but i have quite literally fallen in love with BLM - i dont have to put up with "refresh please" "dispel the mob" i know that it needs doing but all i was waiting for was recast time. does any other level 41+ rdm get this?? so i personally would say BLM is your best bet (so no moaning at you) i think i am a good RDM but the impatientients of others winds me up which is why i switched.

          whatever job you do choose i wish you the best of luck and hope you enjoy it ^^
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          • #6
            Re: Cant decide between the Black mage and Red mage ; ;

            I agree with Icemage, why don't you ping pong back and forth between rdm and blm? When you get sick of rdm, pull out blm and vice versa. Thats what I did and yes I lvled up slower than most people but I was usually having more fun then them grinding away at one job. If you want to stay in the game, I suggest playing whatever you want whenever you want. Don't worry about the grind or your friends passing you by. If they are good friends then you shouldn't have to worry. It's not a race to the top, its about enjoying the journey getting there.
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            • #7
              Re: Cant decide between the Black mage and Red mage ; ;

              Well since I havent replied to this yet...

              Thanks for the input you guys. I've been taking Ice's advice and playing what I feel like, and it's ended up being a good plan. Though, I think I will put black mage as my primary.

              Thanks again!

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              • #8
                Re: Cant decide between the Black mage and Red mage ; ;

                i was around the same problem as you, blm and rdm
                my blm is 38, rdm is 61 so you can see what path i choose, i still love blm and my lvl it to 75 later

                i perfer rdm because its a very useful job and i like a challangeing job that you never really rest at. im so busy that talking to my ls or another person via tell, causes me to mess up on my patterns, and i never get tired or bored cause i love the busyness of the job.

                but if you take blm (which i may later) you can still sub rdm to get the most bang out of your nuke, i perfer rdm sub for blm but will sub whm too if needed =)

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                • #9
                  Re: Cant decide between the Black mage and Red mage ; ;

                  Yeah its important to do what you enjoy. Personally, I enjoy RDM a lot so I took it up without having any other mains. But now that I'm almost done with it I think I'll ping pong around with a few others.
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