Best melee DD job?

[HexiumVII]

I've been leveling mages forever, and think i'm going to switch to melee. Whats the best melee? It seems that monks pretty much do the most damage. I see very few RNG and DRK around let alone DRG. Back about a year ago i remember WAR use to be one of the most awesome because of sub NIN and still have provoke. What do you guys think?

[Karinya]

Re: Best melee DD job?

There isn't really a best, they all have their strengths. It depends on what you want to do with them. I've seen DRGs outdamage BLMs when the BLM was nuking so much they pulled hate in half the fights. The DRG never pulled hate. Even when their wyvern got killed they were still ahead of the BLM half the time (and this was before the update that changed Call Wyvern to 20 min, otherwise they probably wouldn't have had to fight without it).

If I ever take the time to seriously level a DD (i.e. not just to 37), it will probably be SAM or DRG, but that's from personal preference, not because I think those jobs are stronger than the others.

THF still needs some help at high levels, IMO. Other than that, all the physical DDs are pretty strong, in the right situations.

[neighbortaru]

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wth? you are a 75 BLM and 75 SMN and you still need to ask this completely nooby question? how the heck can you not see for yourself what the "best" melee is after partying for so many levels?

[Clever Ninja]

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Apparently less people play RNG now after the class got 'nerfed'. It was overpowered though. RNG is still one of the best DD easy. To me 'best' would be...

-WAR/NIN
-DRK/WAR
-MNK/WAR
-RNG/NIN
-RNG/WAR maybe?
-NIN/BLM
-SAM/WAR
-SAM/RNG

Note, that NIN/BLM and SAM/RNG need ALOT of money and gear to be good. If you get it though, you'll kick major amounts of butt.

[Omni]

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wth? you are a 75 BLM and 75 SMN and you still need to ask this completely nooby question? how the heck can you not see for yourself what the "best" melee is after partying for so many levels?

my sentiments exactly watson!

[Tirrock]

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If I don't look at the original poster's level, my advice is:
If you're totally unsure... just start leveling WAR. It's a recommended subjob for pretty much any melee, and if you like it, you can keep leveling it.

Looking at the level:
Er. Yeah...Two jobs at 75, you can form your own opinion about this.

[kuu]

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War/nin don't really do that much damage per-se till you get a ridill in your hands. The good thing about war/nin is the ability to have shadows up while being in berserk+agressor mode, spaming Rampage.

Ranger was nerfed, so the missing sidewinder isn't reliable, but a rng/sam with a kreken...is sick...

mnks do nice damage, and nice WS damage, but can't offload hate.

Drg's can do massive DoT damage with the pet, giving distributed hate, and massive TP gain rate. Draw back is their crappy WS.

Always feel bad for Drg who tries to close. You'll see many drgs cry when they compare numbers.

Drk's are slow slow and umm slow....but lovely WS with SATA, and stun

Thf played properly can pretty much give people a hate free enviorment.

Sam is self explanatory SC SC and more SC, oh yay, the fact that they have single hit WS makes good SATA or even SA.

Did I miss any jobs?

New jobs are unknown for obvious reasons. PuP might have some stuff up its sleeve


In terms of PT DD power
Drg and mnk would top the damage list
Drk and rng would top the All purpose damage list
and war, thf, sam top the pt friendly list.

A lot of classes can beat Warrior damage if they tried, but few can take it once it turns on them. That and wars are pretty consistent.

[Tirrock]

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I have to disagree with your opinions on WAR, and I'm not sure what you even mean by "offload hate" for MNK... But anyway... You could also add ninja to the list. At high levels they're practically a melee too. I've seen parties with BST taking the place of a WAR/NIN also. Although they're not as overpowered.

[kuu]

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I have to disagree with your opinions on WAR, and I'm not sure what you even mean by "offload hate" for MNK... But anyway... You could also add ninja to the list. At high levels they're practically a melee too. I've seen parties with BST taking the place of a WAR/NIN also. Although they're not as overpowered.

Except for having a joy/ridill war DoT isn't that great. MNKs will beat you hit for hit, and out WS you, drg will just simply out TP you while the pet is doing it's share.

War are consistant to other DDs, but you're not really going to out damage all in a chicken race.

Everyone automatically points to the ridill crazy war on god set/adaman, on vt(and somehow always have a brd near them for numbers sake).

Well get real, that's really really end of the line, where most of your life is doing steel cyclones more often then not.

Wars do very well bouncing hate, taking hate, holding hate, etc. DDs are more then one trick pony, and all the DDs go in different ways.

Oh yea war's also have a pretty weird selection of SC elements.

[Cookietovar]

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gotta say, war is a leet end game melee, cant really say anything about drg much cuz havent pted w/ em since lv 65?
rather have something that raises tp fast, equip atk gear then spam

[Tirrock]

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MNK will beat me hit for hit? My highest melee is MNK. >_>a I -am- the monk. lol

Get real? This is real: Charbydis can be duoed by a NIN (or MNK/NIN, or a THF/NIN) and a BRD/WHM. 100% drop rate on joyuse. And WAR don't suck up to that point either... I'm not saying WAR is the best damage dealer in the game...I'm just thinking you're underselling them a bit.

The fact is, WAR is one of the most vesitile jobs, and that is their strength. That's why I suggested leveling WAR and going with it if the person enjoyed it. You get to taste just about everything with WAR. Pulling, damage dealing, tanking, even building TP fast (25 to 29 WARs out TP everybody). If the person ends up loving the tanking aspect of the job, they can look into PLD or NIN. If they like the damage dealing, they have to see what kind of damage they prefer...basically two handed weapons, one handed weapons, or fists? If they like pulling/ranged attacks...ranger or thief might be the job for them. TP building would go to DRG or SAM mostly (although at 75 there's several jobs capable of getting fast TP, but DRG and SAM do it as their specialties).

Oh, and have you looked at hand to hand skill chain placement before level 60MNK? Our best WS make fusion (so useful when you fight crabs all the time...) or impaction. Monks get passed over in early levels because they can't make distortion. At least WAR has the option to use different weapons.

Edit - to keep things on track:
If you absolutely have no favorites and want an opinion based on endgame, Kuu's outline of the jobs is fairly accurate. Vary it a little based on personal opinions for each person, but overall...sure.

MNK is pretty good on just about everything at high levels. If they can't do good damage on it with punches, they can load up on MND gear and use chi blast. Although since the original poster has SMN and BLM leveled, I doubt they'll need to work on chi-blasting.

WAR is pretty good on many endgame events too. Infact, the only melees that have a harder time with endgame are thieves and dragoons. But there's a whole other topic recently been made on that.

In parties and such, I think you can't go wrong with a job you love. Be it RNG or MNK or anything else. I love my monk, but I'm also not blind to the abilites of other jobs. Most people don't give DRG a chance, but they can pull some respectable numbers in parties. They'd do even better (to the point where you'd see plenty of DRG around, I think) if wheeling thrust/impulse drive weren't terrible. :/

[Cookietovar]

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drg is decent at tp, just wouldnt pick it while makin a pt on the top of my head.
no burn pts w/ em

[Rodin]

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I've said it once, I'll say it again:

The best job (DD or mage) is the one you enjoy doing the most. Try them all out, and find the one you like the best. Because that's the one you'll do the most DMG with. No sense in doing a job that's boring to you because it "does the best DMG".

[little ninja]

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lol not really a noob question since most of us dont log others DD, or have it appear on our chat log. lol if you have a good tank or a bad tank that can change the way your opinion of a job class.

actually with things like draw distance, you can find a rangers sweet spot, an still knock out very good DD, not to mention the rngs ws do insane damage still. close second just has to be a war with nin subjob. 2 attacks that can do 40-60a swing, with the possiblity of bbl atk kickin in on both swings = a 4 hit cycle. back in my DRK days i still found myself below a wars DD output even though i had the superier gear.

[Akai]

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well, i have 75 war, and i love it. war PTs can make over 10k/h in ulegeurand and my war hits for like 80-100 a hit, and double attack goes off frequently, making me hit 4 times but after seeing the taru mnk pwn a deco weapon in sky, ive decided to lvl mnk, and ill tell you guys how that works out <_< its @45 now...and atm, im doing alot more than i think i did at that lvl with war <_< but that was along time ago...so i donno :x