Why do people hate main healing?

[Lacilie]

Why do people hate main healing? Why do people insist on playing nuker instead of healing? There isn't any disgrace or whatever being the main heal... Not like it's a tough job anyway, I played a WHM, and it was all fun main healing, enfeebling and throwing in random spells for fun.

Everytime I /sea, there has to be a RDM or SMN that have a comment saying "NO MAIN HEAL", SMN, I can understand, 90% of the SMN out there are leeches, so it's acceptable but for RDM, I'd gladly be main heal, because my cure look better than my 10 damage MB nuke...

So, why do people hate main healing?

[neighbortaru]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

meh, it just doesn't appeal to some people. it's like asking why aren't there more bards?

[kuu]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

Goes back to the whole controversy that NAs all like to be DD and hurts stuff.

Well with a satistic form around, maybe we'll see what NAs stats really are.

It used to be that healers tended to be played by females, but I've met my share of darknight moms.

Since when are SMN leeches @.@... I won't get on your case here since it's pretty much discussed to death with bad sterotypes.

[Brayden]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

I would imagine that people who chose smn or rdm want to play their jobs: which requires summoning or enhancing/enfeebling/nuke/healing etc. if they wanted to be main healer they would have chosen whm. Just a thought.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

I don't mind healing on my rdm under certain circumstances. But I have found that people abuse rdms as main healers. I can get into a pt where the tank and 3 melees want haste, I need to heal, I need to debuff, I need to refresh at least 3 or more people, status spells, p4's & s for all melee and tank, etc. and if I don't have enough mp to keep going because convert isn't ready, I've gotten some REALLY rude attitudes. They don't realize the cost of refresh or haste and that multiple casts eats up a lot of mp along with curing. God forbid you should be a little late with the -na spell, heal, haste, refresh, etc., I mean your not busy at all!! >.<

So basically its peoples attitudes that make me not want to be a main healer. If I really feel like exping then I will do it but if I get one of "those" pts, I will have to leave.

[Pai Pai Master]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

I love it

[kuu]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

I would imagine that people who chose smn or rdm want to play their jobs: which requires summoning or enhancing/enfeebling/nuke/healing etc. if they wanted to be main healer they would have chosen whm. Just a thought.

They're both in the jack of all trades type.

How do you call yourself a can do everything, if they ask you to do something but you wont?

A party is limited to 6, if everyone did things that are only their strong points, then you would have holes in your defense the size of a cannon.

This is what they call team-work.

[tdh]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

As a RDM, I would rather not be the Cure Monkey. I have no problem taking over the Cure Monkey role on the 4th or 5th of a Chain so the WHM can /heal and we can continue going. But when I join a party I want to do my job, and that's to support the party, not play another jobs role as well as mine. As a RDM I have enough things I need to keep on top of it, I'd rather a party didn't add all of the responsibilities of another job to that list.

How long will it take me to cast Protect & Shell on 6 people. Then there's Post Lv.41 adding in Refresh. Or you're Pre Lv.48 and you don't have Haste. You'll end up using Convert just to get the party ready to start. I'd just much rather not have to do it.

[Brayden]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

A party is limited to 6, if everyone did things that are only their strong points, then you would have holes in your defense the size of a cannon.

People choose to be a drk to do dmg, not tank. People choose a pld to tank, not cast spells. Just because a job can do something, doesn't mean they should. Sure rdm's can be cure tanks, but as stated above- the more they are expected to cure, the more the rest of their job suffers (enfeebs, refresh etc) You are weakening your party expecting your rdm to main heal AND do the other aspects of their job. If you have someone than can cover for your rdm (like 2rdms or a brd etc) then you've planned accordingly.

[Amatsu]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

Goes back to the whole controversy that NAs all like to be DD and hurts stuff.

Well with a satistic form around, maybe we'll see what NAs stats really are.

It used to be that healers tended to be played by females, but I've met my share of darknight moms.

Since when are SMN leeches @.@... I won't get on your case here since it's pretty much discussed to death with bad sterotypes.

Male Healer here and loving it, when i level black mage for my sub i hate it -.-;
I dont know why but when i play it i just get so bored with the nuke nuke nuke, oh well i geuss its the case of "whatever floats your boat" in the case of play styles/job choices

[Lacilie]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

I don't mind healing on my rdm under certain circumstances. But I have found that people abuse rdms as main healers. I can get into a pt where the tank and 3 melees want haste, I need to heal, I need to debuff, I need to refresh at least 3 or more people, status spells, p4's & s for all melee and tank, etc. and if I don't have enough mp to keep going because convert isn't ready, I've gotten some REALLY rude attitudes. They don't realize the cost of refresh or haste and that multiple casts eats up a lot of mp along with curing. God forbid you should be a little late with the -na spell, heal, haste, refresh, etc., I mean your not busy at all!! >.<

So basically its peoples attitudes that make me not want to be a main healer. If I really feel like exping then I will do it but if I get one of "those" pts, I will have to leave.

When people never played a job, they expect them to have miraculous unbalanced power, for example:

RDM is famous for convert, fastcast, refresh, dispel, and ability to use both black white magic; therefore, most idiots would expect RDM to convert everytime when they are low on MP(no timer, w00tz), no delay or casttime on magic(refresh 18 ppl in 2 seconds, w00tz0r), and possibly double cast!(cast cure on tank while MBing at same time, GO!)

But that's not what I meant, kuu's reply to Battle Angel pretty much said it all of what I wanted: If you can do it, do it, its a team, not a solo game.

>>Kuu
Yeah, the SMN leech is just my personal view, since all the SMN I partied with does leeching, leeching and leeching. "Tank low on HP? Mages out of MP?! Not my area, my Fenrir's normal attack is more important than tank's safety!" Honestly, they place their avatar's normal attack before party, and if you look at log(or as an experienced player), you should know normal attack has no element(no point in using Shiva on ice-weak), and avatars do hand to hand damage, their attack does nothing but feeding TP to monsters.
But yeah, pretty much my view, I have yet to see a SMN that helped in a party, they seem to think their avatar's h2h TP feeding is so important, they can ignore everything.

>>Battle Angel

Yeah, sorry, I have never thought about others' party, since I form party most of the time, I usually make sure there is a jack-of-all-trade mage in party before I invite a RDM or SMN to main heal, and I will always ask the mages to help healing. My LS is filled with mages, so I know how hard it is to do everything at once, especially when RDM's MP isn't that high. When I said "main heal", I just meant healing+refresh+dispel for RDM, and avatar-buff+healing from SMN. It's also basic knowledge to me for BLM/WHM, or other mages to help healing when needed, to help enfeeble when needed too.

[kuu]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

People choose to be a drk to do dmg, not tank. People choose a pld to tank, not cast spells. Just because a job can do something, doesn't mean they should. Sure rdm's can be cure tanks, but as stated above- the more they are expected to cure, the more the rest of their job suffers (enfeebs, refresh etc) You are weakening your party expecting your rdm to main heal AND do the other aspects of their job. If you have someone than can cover for your rdm (like 2rdms or a brd etc) then you've planned accordingly.

Narrow minded.
As I said pt of 6. If you have a drk, you can not have 3 more DDs, or another mage. If a dark is only there to do damage, and not stun, abs, pull, or anything else, he's no good.

If you're main healer, it's just that.
Rdm->I'm best suited to refresh, That's all I'm here for
We're nin, 3 mnks and a brd.. who you going to refresh?

Bad pt member = rdm.

If you have a rdm, brd, blm, then you can not have a whm.
it's a /blacklist if the rdm goes, "I refuse to be main healer, kick the brd/blm for a whm"

If you are a super specialist only player, you're a fragile cannon. That's a good reason to pass you over for someone else, especially if you're a rdm where you're not even a specialist by nature.

Yeah, the SMN leech is just my personal view, since all the SMN I partied with does leeching, leeching and leeching. "Tank low on HP? Mages out of MP?! Not my area, my Fenrir's normal attack is more important than tank's safety!" Honestly, they place their avatar's normal attack before party, and if you look at log(or as an experienced player), you should know normal attack has no element(no point in using Shiva on ice-weak), and avatars do hand to hand damage, their attack does nothing but feeding TP to monsters.
But yeah, pretty much my view, I have yet to see a SMN that helped in a party, they seem to think their avatar's h2h TP feeding is so important, they can ignore everything.

I'm not going to take the bait, because it's just too naive. You can say that to any job like blackmage that can't MB, and drains his mp on chain 1. There were 3 threads on this, and all have debunked you to no end.

[Brayden]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

So, why do people hate main healing?

Kuu you seem to forget that this person asked for an opinion about why people hated to be main healers. I offered one suggestion as to why this might be the case. If you want to talk about party configuarion and tactics I'm sure you know where that part of the forum is.

[Enialas]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

I can heal, in fact I back up heal admirably and have main healed for awhile. I have done it, probably will have to do it again. Do I care to do it? If I wanted to main heal I'd be a whm.

narrow minded? that's what whm is for! sure I can heal, have and will. but I will never have on my search comment "please pick me for main heal" after all post 34 everyone thinks you are 34rdm/17blm. I've been in pt's where the blm D2'ed everyone then warp himself leaving me:

p1>> thought you were /blm
me>> i asked for D2 b/c i'm /smn
p1>> level the right sub job

did you also know RDM also gets drain, aspir, tractor and escape? No? but you expect your RDM to do so right? so, how does one expect/demand all rdms sub blm then turn around and demand they main heal? Divine seal and raise II while they're at it? oops can't DS requires subbing WHM and raise II, well, we're no whm.

since everyone expects the rdm to have blm subbed, what makes you an efficient healer? you have no -ra spells and you must protect and shell everyone individualy, and since i'm an Elvaan rdm i dont have the mps a taru would have but it doesn't matter. pts i've been in don't expect me to nuke like a blm or erase-ra/haste-ra/period-ra like a whm. infact with me the whm doesn't have to haste-ra, of course i leave the main tank to whm but the rest we divvy up.

i refresh, enfeble, dispel/heal if needed, nuke when/if I can.

now if they were rdm/whm and flat out refused to heal/main heal, then they're just being anal.

[locus]

Re: Why do people hate main healing?

In reply to the above poster:

If you're Elvaan and still subbing BLM, you're going to have ridiculously ineffective converts. Most Elvaan RDM sub WHM because without DS, they gain very few MP when converting. SMN, perhaps, but /WHM is ultimately going to be more useful in more situations. Always check with the party leader what sub to bring. I don't think RDM is a debuff class as much as a versatile class that should find it perfectly simple to main-cure unless you happen to be fighting a HNM (or your tank is a moron).

After playing WHM and RDM to 75, I've never ever had problems curing people, unless the tank was hideously bad. Unfortunately, hideously bad tanks that take 120+ damage per hit and tank with berserk on, or think that they can somehow magically keep hate with just utsusemi and provoke every 30 seconds happen pretty often.

That being said, I don't buy into the philosophy of "main curing" being an essential role in the party. Even a (good) WHM has things to do other than stand there and spam the cure macro. Parties can work fine with a blm and a rdm doing all the work while 4 melees sit there and afk (non-tank Meleeing is a very very lazy job the way most people play it. Stand there until 100 tp and then spam /call macros). Why don't people like to main cure? Simply put - in MOST NA parties, people only care about the big red numbers and never care about the big blue ones. They'll go "oooh, I just hit the monster for 1000+ damage" but fail to be equally impressed when you cure them for over 700. Some JPs can get pretty annoying with the "thank you " after every single cure/refresh, but at least most of them notice.

I guess the logic goes like this: "I'm playing a game, so I shouldn't have to WORK hard at it. It's my time - I should do what I want, not what's best for the party". And there's a point to that which I can't contradict, but it won't stop me from putting you on my mental "do not party with" blacklist.