Are DRKs *assumed* to be newb?

[modnar]

Hi. This is just a general question as a reaction to a party I had 2 days ago. Just wondering (maybe most DRKs would be able to tell me this):

As a starting out DRK, do people treat you as a newb (noob)/ naive/ starting out in the game/ don't know what you are doing?

I have played many jobs in this game from lvl 1 to several lvls and so I got used to many of the stuff that happens when one is in the low starting lvls...

But in the first party I was in as a Dark Knight, I have never been so ... how to say it... harshly instructed? Its like the people in the party were saying orders over and over at me as if I don't know what I am doing. 90% the reply to their instructions was: "I already did that".

Just wondering if this was something unique to being a Dark Knight; people assuming you don't know what you are doing...

[CarbonFibre]

I used to hear the Dark Knight = noob stereotype a lot back when I was still pretty low level, but nowadays I hear the "so many Red Mage = noob" more often.

[Kailea]

yeah what he said.....but also the members in your PT where morons lol so dont worrie about it

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

From my own experince sadly most drks i have met [even at high lvs ] are noobs

Im not saying im noob [im drk] what i meant most noobs pick up Drk job to play maybe cuz its the only adavance job with easy Quest [rng quest easy too but you know noobs cant play rng Need $$$]

[Kensaki]

Only one i hear these days are drg = gilseller and after farming in zi'tah I amost have to agree all those af drg that camps the place nearly 24/7 have made me dislike the class even if I don't want to.

[Aeolus]

They just wanted to feel important, so they call someone a newb or tell some ppl what to do, happens to everyone. Sometimes you just get unlucky with party members.

[modnar]

Originally posted by CarbonFibre
I used to hear the Dark Knight = noob stereotype a lot back when I was still pretty low level, but nowadays I hear the "so many Red Mage = noob" more often.

Great.... thats my MAIN!! (lvl 55 atm)... /sob...

[Feenicks]

Every class has its stereotype.

[iglak]

when the PS2 release came out, the vast majority of n00bs chose to be an elvaan DRK.

thus the stereotype.

not much else to it.

later that changed (they became elvaan rdms/blms/whms -_-), but it remained a stereotype anyway....

[Icemage]

I think the main reason DRKs got such a horrible reputation at one point was that it really IS easy to tell the difference between a good Dark Knight and a bad one. Unlike Paladins, who have access to only a handful of useful spells, Dark Knights have a pretty extensive spell list available for their use, and it's often easy to tell when someone just has no clue what they're doing simply by looking at how they're using their MP (and/or if they're using it at all).

For a certain span of time after the early days of both PC and PS2 release, quite a large number of unskilled players ended up playing Dark Knights - of course, there were a lot of unskilled players in other jobs too, but with DRK it's both relatively inexpensive to level (let's not get into discussions about prime gear - you can function ok without it), and in relatively high demand due to good skillchain potential with 2 A-rank, high-damage weapons.

Nowadays, I don't really see any difference in the various jobs as far as players go, just differences in skill level in individual players. It's just that with some jobs, it's easier to tell whether someone knows what they're doing, versus someone who is clueless; i.e. it's very hard to tell when someone sucks at playing Monk, but it's very easy to tell when they suck at playing Red Mage at higher levels.


Icemage

[modnar]

Originally posted by Icemage
I think the main reason DRKs got such a horrible reputation at one point was that it really IS easy to tell the difference between a good Dark Knight and a bad one. Unlike Paladins, who have access to only a handful of useful spells, Dark Knights have a pretty extensive spell list available for their use, and it's often easy to tell when someone just has no clue what they're doing simply by looking at how they're using their MP (and/or if they're using it at all).

Icemage

I agree with this statement. It kills me to see DRKs that don't use thier MP when they have Absorb-xxx spells at thier disposal. Being a RDM, I always know how much MP each player uses during a battle. MANY MANY DRKs do not cast spells and their MP is NEVER used (except maybe to Drain).

But not to say that I knew 100% what I should and should not be doing (ok.. to be honest, I DO know what I should and should not be doing, but let me go on), but I always received good instructions from people. A good piece of advice or information that lights up the mechanics of the job I am playing is HIGHLY appreciated at ANY level and at ANY job I play.

But as I said before... I got this when being a DRK, and I have never been treated as such before...

I guess it might have been just that particular party. I will be joining an other party tonight (I hope). I shall see what happens.

[Silverquick]

Originally posted by CarbonFibre
I used to hear the Dark Knight = noob stereotype a lot back when I was still pretty low level, but nowadays I hear the "so many Red Mage = noob" more often.

Unfortunately, this is becoming more and more true.

Quality of Rdms is dropping markedly. Seems all the former newb Drks moved over to Rdm.

[Gman]

Some RDM refuse to accept their new role at level 41. Quite simply Refresh is priority 1, dispel/debuff is priority 2, everything else comes distant placing after those.

My BST duo buddy even subbed BRD to be able to refresh 4mp/tick rather than 3mp. Unusual combo, but you cant say hes not playing his role. He's a refresher first and foremost... why not get 33% more out of it?

Back on topic, noobs are noobs. A party can tell right away if the DRK is skilled or not. When I was leveling DRK, I often pulled, and used bolts to weaken enemies. I wanted to take an active role in the party rather than just standing there letting the sword/scythe swing itself and beat on my tp macro until it was time to use it. I found DRK very fun to play but you really need a good group to appreciate it.

That being said, if you are only lvl 11 DRK modnar like your sig says, you were most likely leveling DRK in dunes, and really... do you expect ~not~ to have noob know-it-alls trying to tell you what to do there? Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Problem is that in this game, noobs pass opinions off as knowledge or experience. Ignore them.

[LadyPeorth]

The DRK stereotype comes from the DRKs that have lack of good gear and skill. Not asking for phenominal gear (Twin Snipers, Emperors, etc.) but a DRK should at least have some accuracy plus. Besides your gear, it's how you manage your Job Abilities and spells. I see DRKs overnuke, not cast a thing, use Last Resort+Soul Eater at battle start...most of these will get you a bad label. If you do those two things decently well, like you have good gear (not super expensive awesomely best, but good none-the-less) and you use your job abilities at the right time, the you should do fine

[CarbonFibre]

Originally posted by Icemage
I think the main reason DRKs got such a horrible reputation at one point was that it really IS easy to tell the difference between a good Dark Knight and a bad one. Unlike Paladins, who have access to only a handful of useful spells, Dark Knights have a pretty extensive spell list available for their use, and it's often easy to tell when someone just has no clue what they're doing simply by looking at how they're using their MP (and/or if they're using it at all).

These are valid points about Dark Knight, but I'd say it's pretty easy to tell the difference between a good Paladin and a bad one. I mean maybe it's harder for some to tell in the realm of good to excellent a discernable difference, but it's pretty obvious when your tank sucks ass. I hated being in the high 50s leveling up with PLDs almost never using Sentinel (but spamming Defender) and never using Cover when appropriate. When I'm not the leader of the party, I sometimes try and tell people what they're doing wrong and then people call me bossy. They say "by this level we all know how to play our jobs." It's the mages saying this. Maybe you know how to play your job, but do you know how to play it well? I, for the most part, gave up trying to instruct people when they're doing something wrong; it just ends up getting me more grief in the end. I can't exactly nit pick my parties either playing the job that I am.
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