PLD or NIN

[Stolin]

Ninja is miles away from PLD. Ninjas hit the mob harder and are needed to be cured less. Isn't that whats supposed to make a good tank? Something that needs to be cured LESS and not more?

Another thing, people act like its a terribly hard thing to hold hate. Its actually quite the opposite of hard if you even half way know what your doing.

The reason some ninjas enfeebles get resisted with some players is that their freaking ninjitsu skill is too low. Its not some conspiracy by squaresoft, its the simple fact that their ninjitsu skill sucks too much for it to land on the mob.

And like Kiyosuki said ninjas after Lv 37 are like a completely different class. Utsusemi:Ni would be the god of tanking spells. Utsusemi:Ichi is like a lost child compared to its higher spell.

This thing about +evassion I really don't know. Even +30 evasion against really high level monsters is almost nothing. I really doubt a Lv 80+ monster will miss you more than once in a fight. Ninja blink is 100x more important than +evasion gear. To be honest I'd rather have +enmity gear than +evasion.

[greysenn]

They're both good for differing group dynamics.

And yeah, holding hate isn't hard. Holding hate well is though. There is miles difference between pld and ninja hate, even with a thf.

Ninja may take little to no damage, but then they need to when the fights last longer. Maybe it changes later, but I have yet to see a group with a ninja tank that the damage (IE, half the group) didn't have to hold back.

[Soraan]

I have yet to party with a good NIN on my THF job... They can't hold hate very well and screw up my SATAs all the time. Granted, this is before they get Ni so.... One of the problems I noticed was he never voked after the initial SATA and if the mob went away from him (usually right b4 I would do a SATA+WS) >>

Either is good though... Depends on mobs. As my main is a PLD, my opinion may not be as valid.

I have lvled up NIN a little (mainly for my THF sub), but Meh. It's much harder to tank on NIN than it is on PLD.

[Yuanlung]

From a BLM's point of view, I like PLD a lot better.

They are able to generate way more hate then NIN tanks could, which means damage dealers like myself can put in that extra ummph without getting mualed to a bloody pulp. WHen we do go overboard, PLD has the ability to generate a big spike of hate in an instant with their various abilities to just grab that hate back, and when all fails, there's still cover and invincibility.

[aszid]

I prefer PLD personally, because i'm a taru BLM, and with a pld tank i don't need to hold back near as much as i do with a NIN tank. And yes, i have partied with GOOD NIN tanks, but i still had to hold back more than with a GOOD PLD tank.

[Frumply]

Originally posted by aszid
I prefer PLD personally, because i'm a taru BLM, and with a pld tank i don't need to hold back near as much as i do with a NIN tank. And yes, i have partied with GOOD NIN tanks, but i still had to hold back more than with a GOOD PLD tank.

Toasters.







Oh wait, wrong post.

PLDs use MP (magic power) to cure themselves and hold aggro.
NINs use MP (money power) to use ninjutsu in order to gain some hate, as well as utsusemi to avoid damage (they can keep aggro because they don't receive the hate reduction from damage). Piss poor? Go PLD. Found a stack of gold bars while you were walking your kraken in Qufim? Go NIN.

[Kesai]

With nin tank all you really have to do is not do anything crazy until the 2nd provoke, after that the nin has built up enough hate so that everyone should be fine. In my set pt (nin/war, rng/nin, drk/war, rdm/whm, brd/whm, random blm we pick up) the only time the nin has trouble is if the rng lets loose with a barrage right at the get go. Otherwise the drks fav. thing to do is turn on and keep on Souleater for that chain #6...(and no the mob does not promptly turn around and beat the tar out of the drk)

Not spamming nukes and other high hate abilities for the first 30 secs is a small price to pay for a tank that does good damage, and takes no damage. (the big price comes out of the nin's bank account)

[Mookie]

I like PLDs better.
They make me feel all safe

[Quezi]

12-20 its NIN all the way. After 20 it all depends. A PLD is basicly a warrior up untill level 15, by then they have enough MP to do their job *i leveld a pld up to 20 for the hell of it =x*. A good nin is a good tank, and really for me its either or. There are differances tho and it usualy always depends on PT setup.

A PLD can hold hate on all its own, in that situation you are better off getting 2 offensive melees, a NIN needs a secondary tank because even tho nin dont suck at holind agro as some say, a PLD is still ALOT better(a good pld). Now some NIN dont need them as badly, but as a general rule you want somthing solid standing by. This require one of your melees to be either a SAM or a WAR. Now the bonus with WAR is shield/armor break, this will in turn make the nin do more damage, and being that damage is key to holind hate, you get a win/win situation here.

PLD need to be healed more, but they also can cure themselves. The hate a PLD gets from curing the damage one hit has done, is more than a NIN would keep from not being hit in the first place (for that hit). Infact taking damage is key for a PLD to be able to keep hate, if they cant cure themselves they will loose it. The freedom that a PLD gives other PT members to go that little bit over what they could do with a nin, more than makes up for a nins higher damage.

It all comes down to, a good NIN is like water wearing the exp off of the rock face, a good PLD is like an iron bar beating the crap out of stone colecting the chips and dust of exp. The nin is smooth and easy and enjoyable, the pld is less smooth, and rougher, but with higher reward if the PT is perfect *cover on rng every time its up and see what they can do if they dont need to worry about agro for a few seconds*

Thats how i see it.

Remember, PLD has the best way possible to get hate BACK if they loose it, heal the person getting hit. (dont work so well with mages im afrande :sweat: )

[Emeka]

In PT's pryor to me hitting 60 and subbing Thief, I always had to hold back when a Ninja was tanking unless we had a Thief too. Didn't have to worry about that with Paladins.

[Bleak]

i choose pld ^^ might be due to the fact that i am a pld

in terms of hate control the short fight are where nin can out hate me ; ; but the longer fights nin has no chance
although this was before i had flash i havnt pt'ed with a nin since quifim so i cant be too sure ^^

[Hobbit]

As a taru whm, I prefer a PLD. Why? They can cure themselves :spin: It's like a WHM's dream to have a tank that.. well.. does half of your job and its job to the fullest for you... Oddly enough, theres NIN's out the ying yang and barely any PLD's on my server.. Mabye it's just from what I've seen.. but PLD's seem to be better tanks.

[Taoist]

but... if the Ninja tank doesn't get hit,
there's nothing to heal.

[Sharma]

From my experience with PLDs and NINs, I'd just say its about your method of exping and also which enemies you are fighting.

So far i've found that NIN tanks give much more exp but at a bigger risk, say if the puller messes up and youre stuck with 2 enemies, its trouble.

PLDs on the other hand give a safer form of exp, although it may be a bit slow at times, PLds are much more reliable with hate control, good PLDs I haven't been able to pull agro off with regular melee and the odd WS, however with NINs, unless they have VERY deep pockets for all the Ninjitsu they need to dish out to maintain agro i've always ended up tanking the mob myself and as a MNK with VERY little defense I get pounded.

NINs are also fun to have as tanks if you haven't got a BLM as i've found myself with NINs that have actually MBd with Ninjitsu (wtf O.o;; ).

I'd say either do the job fine but it's pretty much dependant on your situation, I would prefer a NIN tank at Boyahda tree spiders because I think i'd rather have a NIN with utsusemi up and taking ZERO dmg from Sickle Slash than a PLD tanking and still managing to receive a ton of dmg from it. :p

[thatguy21]

hmmm

Nin: has blink, hits fast.

Pld: cures, voke, flash, shield bash, sentinal, double attack at 50, able to take damage.

Either way is good if you know what your doing. I dont like nin tanks at all because they lack the ability to keep hate on them the whole time.
They're also some weak skilled plds out there too.

Your job is your job. you picked it because you like to play it. choose whats best for you and your pt. (but dont invite 2 plds in the same pt.... it gets a lil bit messy >.<)