Job Dilemma...

[DarkMithra]

I am getting this game soon, and I while I was bored, I decided to choose my race and job.

I want to be an Elvaan, and start out as a monk. Then maybe try warrior, and then go for MNK/SAM. Is this a good idea? Or are there better combos?

And also, I was wondering, what if I used redmage as a subjob? I heard that Elvaan mages suck, but still, just for a little magical backup? Thanks!

[kumaeru]

Mnk/war is really good, Sam sub becomes most useful at lvl 30 meaning you must have a main job (Mnk) of at least lvl 60.

Mnk/sam at 60+ also works good too.

You could do Mnk/war to lvl 60 and Mnk/sam at 60+

Mnk/Rdm isnt that great really.. and it doesn't help with the Elvaan mp like you said. Of course if you really wanted to, you could work with it.

[LegendaryFire]

Elvaan is a good choice for Monks, and an ok choice for red mages. If you are gonna start monk then try warrior, you try monk/warrior.

As for red mage. If you want to use this effectively, make sure you carry around mp restoring items. Like juices. Cause you have a smaller mp pool, compared to tarutaru, humes, and mithra. Even being Elvaan, meleeing with Red mage will be hard. So you will probably be reduced to enfeebling like most red mages.

Monk/Sam can probably work though, I haven't really studied this combo. But being able to build TP for WS sounds good to me.


~LF

[DarkMithra]

Erm...what about SAM/MNK? Since monk isn't that good with weapons, and samurais are, would that be better?

[LegendaryFire]

Originally posted by Rikku_the_Thief
Erm...what about SAM/MNK? Since monk isn't that good with weapons, and samurais are, would that be better?

Monks usually have knuckles for accuracy and speed. They are considered weapons.

I'm not sure about sam/mnk I think you'd have a samurai with boost, guess thats a plus.

[DarkMithra]

Okay, now I have a SECOND problem...(I hate my friend right now...)

My friend keeps telling me that if I really can't decide, that I should be a Hume and try ALL the jobs out. But I want to be an Elvaan since Humes are too ordinary. Are Elvaans REALLY really that bad as mages? Like, they are basically useless?

[Kailea]

no Elvans are not useless hehe ^.^

all races can do any job they want, but some races can do jobs alittle better than others like take this for example

Mithra =Theif or Ranger
TaruTaru =any mage class
Hume =any class lol
Elvan =Monk or melee class
Galka = any melee class

[DarkMithra]

If I want to try red mage for example with my Elvaan, it won't be useless if I use items that help with MP? (are there even items that do that?)

[LegendaryFire]

Yeah, just join the culinary guild. I'm thinking, and you can make juices and pies, that can help your mp. You can always have 2 sets equipment like most red mages. Sword/Shield with dex boosting items. And a stave or whatever with mp or int boosting items.

Just use food if you see that you are lacking in mp. If a Galka can do this, you can with Elvaan.

[Scatman]

Heh. Red mages are already one of the most expensive jobs for new players since they're stuck trying to buy armor, white magic, black magic AND red magic. Tacking on food and equipment to make up for MP deficiencies is asking too much of a new player. Astral ring for instance, is the only ring you can equip at the earlier levels which gives a decent HP --> MP conversion, but that costs 125k give or take 20k. Tell me how a new player is supposed to find that amount on top of the other expenses.

However if you can put up with being inadequate until you get Convert, you'll be fine.

And if you want to be unique, well, speaking for my own server, there are so many elvaans running around (I'll bet half of them think they're Tolkien-esque elves), you'll probably end up being more unique as a Hume. In fact, I'd say half of the mages in the 1-40 range are elvaan (probably ex-warriors pissed off about not being able to find a group), so if even the classes elvaans are not very good for are largely composed of elvaans, try to imagine how many there are as melee classes.

[Quezi]

Acualy i think ffxi made elves more tolkien like. Elves are 'magical' i suppose, but theres verry little 'magic' in tolkien. Elves always had weapons and whatnot, and while they favored hit and run sort of tactics better they where basicly a bunch of fighters when it came to war, not some little magic type squishys=D The high MND stat also fits them i think.

Realy if we wanted to make a comparison..

Elvaan = Elves
Hume = Human and human shaped things (wizards)
Mithra = Hobbits =x lol
Galka = Dwarves
Taru = All those wierd little browines, fairies, and other things wich came to the world along with the valar as it is mentioned in the earlyer drafts of the silmarilian.

Now that i think of it, yes, elvaan are acualy the most tolkien of all vidio game elves i have ever encounterd.

Then depending on what sort of elf you wanted to be. Lets see, a wood elf would be a ranger/warrior, some of the other sorts of elves that where around before but left prior to lotr would have been maby.. paladin/warrior or maby samurai/warrior (around the time of fingolfin). Also some dragoons in there aswell..

Would you say Hurin was a war/ or a /war? anyone? I dont want to make him a simple melee fighter =x he was nobility after all *nobility = paladin asfar as humes go, i would say other races aswell*

Er anyway.. yes, to make this post on topic i will second that any race can be anything aslong as you are prepared to not be best at it!

[Khaelyn]

I'd have to say, /slap your friend and make up your own mind.

If you want to be a melee class, you will probably hate being a Red Mage. You will do much much more damage and have better tanking ability as either a monk or a warrior. Also, if you want to be a Samurai when you grow up, you don't want to start playing catch-up on your skills and fighting tactics when you switch to SAM because you've finally figured out how to handle RDM.

And I'm not just pushing you towards melee because I think Mithra look cool in armor, no no!

[Scatman]

Originally posted by Quezi
Acualy i think ffxi made elves more tolkien like. Elves are 'magical' i suppose, but theres verry little 'magic' in tolkien. Elves always had weapons and whatnot, and while they favored hit and run sort of tactics better they where basicly a bunch of fighters when it came to war, not some little magic type squishys=D The high MND stat also fits them i think.

Realy if we wanted to make a comparison..

Elvaan = Elves
Hume = Human and human shaped things (wizards)
Mithra = Hobbits =x lol
Galka = Dwarves
Taru = All those wierd little browines, fairies, and other things wich came to the world along with the valar as it is mentioned in the earlyer drafts of the silmarilian.

Now that i think of it, yes, elvaan are acualy the most tolkien of all vidio game elves i have ever encounterd.

I fail to see how you can possibly compare the elvaan to a tolkien elf, or any stereotypical fantasy elf for that matter. (And there was in fact a lot of magic involved for his works).

1) Was a Tolkien elf ever two feet taller than a human?

2) Did a Tolkien elf ever possess the grace of an ox?

3) Butt-ugly elves?

Basically you're saying anyone who has pointed ears, swings a weapon, and whose race name starts with "elv" is automatically an elf. I'm by no means a fantasy expert or fan, but all these people thinking they're Legolas or Arwen by picking an Elvaan really need to wake up, heh. FFXI has a relatively unique set of races, so people need to get off their stereotypical fantasy mindsets.

[Khaelyn]

1) Was a Tolkien elf ever two feet taller than a human?

Well... yes.

All of Tolkein's Elves were taller than Men, and the purer High Elves were taller than the mixed-blood Wood and Grey Elves.

I'm just sayin'....

[Quezi]

Originally posted by Scatman


I fail to see how you can possibly compare the elvaan to a tolkien elf, or any stereotypical fantasy elf for that matter. (And there was in fact a lot of magic involved for his works).

Tolkien magic isnt the spell casting fireball throwing kind, its more of the willpower driven 'force' sort. I think the MND stat reflects this.

1) Was a Tolkien elf ever two feet taller than a human?

Yes

2) Did a Tolkien elf ever possess the grace of an ox?

grace of movement is more a reflection of mindset, personality and confadence than it is physical dexterity. Just becaus you can thread a needle doesnt mean you dont shuffle around like ozzy =P

3) Butt-ugly elves?

I have yet to see a truley ugly elf=P I think the males look noble and the females look.. er.. average.

Basically you're saying anyone who has pointed ears, swings a weapon, and whose race name starts with "elv" is automatically an elf. I'm by no means a fantasy expert or fan, but all these people thinking they're Legolas or Arwen by picking an Elvaan really need to wake up, heh. FFXI has a relatively unique set of races, so people need to get off their stereotypical fantasy mindsets.

Acualy no, im saying that just becaus you have pointy ears and your name starts with 'elv' doesnt make you an elf. In most games elves are usualy mages and sometimes rogues. FFXI is the first to portray them as acual sturdy fighters, such as tolkien had them.

I get a much better laugh at people who think legolas is a ranger.

Also arwen doesnt do anything so i dont quite know why anyone would want to be her=P Id rather grab a hume and try to pretend im eowyn.. atleast she did more than make brief appearances at the beggining and end of the story=p The movie has more arwen parts which never happend than they do ones that really did=p

Also, elvaan are obviously elves, and really all fantasy elves, as we know them today, go back to tolkien. For some reason D&D made them less combative in nature, and games have stuck to that untill, as far as i know, now *altho some of the tolkien based rogue-like games such as angband have high elves a little better portrayed*