Multiple Subjobs

[Omni]

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Anyway, the only job I know that has a right to bitch about price is COR, NIN, RNG, and maybe PUP (attachmens are kind of rediculous...)

/cry at his sig.

[Susurrus]

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/cry at his sig.

I never said there's anything wrong about leveling ALL subjobs!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I didn't even want to bring up COR - it's so unbelievably expensive (when done right) it's not even nice to talk about how excellent a good COR really is

All things considered, COR only costs about 4 mil to take to 75.

That includes passable gear, ammo and levelling a RNG subjob

Contrast that to the melee jobs you think are cheaper. Thinking does not make it so, the difference is COR is always going to need ammo to be played properly, but to level it to 75 properly? Not as much as people like to exaggerate, I've seen other jobs cost way more.

The reason I favor mage/support/soloist jobs outside of RNG and COR is they offset my expenses. If I wanted to level more melees outside of RNG and BST, that would probably break my bank.

Also, COR only became the most expensive job in the game when Level Sync was added. That is, if you decide to Level Sync on your COR at all. I refuse to. Hate me if you want, but I won't Level Sync my COR unless you're putting up the gil for my bullets.

Played right, Ranger is still far and away the most expensive job in this game. COR is second if played right and the expense is actually rather merciful once you get to TP with a Joyeuse.

RNG, as a subjob, is one of the cheapest I've ever levelled, which is why people refusing to level it toward COR are so very lame. If you're not going to level /RNG for COR, go play BRD. /RNG will cost you a whopping 400k at most. You'll pay more for both Utsusemi Scrolls and proper tools to level /NIN than you would levelling a RNG sub.

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Also, pre-20 /WHM, /DNC and /BRD are the most useful subjobs aside from /WAR. Still, WAR/WHM does look a tad silly for EXP PTs, no matter how useful it is. If you don't have advanced jobs unlocked, please go /MNK.

/COR is useless before you have access Hunter's or Chaos Roll and questionable even then. The EXP boost from Corsair's Roll is not nearly as useful as what /BRD or /WHM provide. Hell, even /DNC would be better in the Dunes just for Drain Samba alone.

Finally, I find /RNG to be one of the most useful melee subs from 20-30. I've subbed it for both SAM and DNC in the past and it works extremely well for your accuracy and makes levelling through that range a lot less painless. That alone is worth sucking it up and levelling the sub for, not to mention RNG is a hell of a good early CoP and BCNM job.

[The Mauva Syndicate]

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We don't have that many COR's on Remora - I've partied with a few of them (in and out of Level Sync parties) - Now that you mention it, they were only slight drops in level for sync (most of us were in mid - upper 40's and we synced to 41 so it wasn't that drastic - but I COR. That was a beautiful party.

And when you are farming beast blood for 300gil a pop, 4mil to level a job is an imposing obstacle. You've got to have a decent income source before you start taking on those pricey jobs. I've got Cooking to 60 and Alchemy to mid 40's and just starting to make a little profit.

le sigh, Goldsmithing, now thats profit for you....

[MrMageo]

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I would suggest taking war to at least 37 you will want it there eventually and you can use it to unlock all your extra jobs as well.

The chances you will play only one job for your career are slim to nil and war is a virtually universal sub for anything that wacks mobs, as Whm is universal sub to anything that casts spells. They should both be 37 at least IMO as they are a pair of the most used subs in the game.

When you unlock other jobs I would recommend taking NIN and SCH to 37 as they will probably be the next most used subs for either melee or mage. From there you will be set in pretty much every way for your first trip to 75 in either a melee class, or casting class.

As for your money issues you will always run into problems and it is best to take time out to make money, through crafting, or farming. (or if you feel lucky market manipulation). Usually up to about level 30 you can get away with bare essentials for gear, and spells (such as Cure, -na spells and enfeeble spells). Once you get to 30 you will need to update your gear every 5-10 levels, and your spells will almost need to be consistently upgraded. I would say taking a few days every 5 levels or so to make some money will be a big help.

It is not a race to 75, You need to get there and be decently geared in both spells and equipment. Take your time and make sure you are set before you go out. If you know your going to level, have the next weapon or spell with you so your always ready as you level. This is skill which you will naturally develop. Skill>Gear but Skill also = Gear as the more knowledgable you get you will know what is best for you.

Always take time to make money, nothing is worse than going into a party with someone who is not geared decently. It doesn't mean get rare/ex or +1 Items for every slot, but at least make an effort to better yourself. Like I said it is not a race to 75, take your time enjoy the game and strive to be the best you can be. If it means staying at level 45 for a week saving money and making money to upgrade then do so, it will be better in the end and people recognize those who care about their performance, and not just hitting the level cap.

Ive met a lot of 75's in my day that are so under skilled, under geared and generally just poor players, and it is usually because they took a fast road to 75 and never took time to learn their job or care for it.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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And when you are farming beast blood for 300gil a pop, 4mil to level a job is an imposing obstacle. You've got to have a decent income source before you start taking on those pricey jobs. I've got Cooking to 60 and Alchemy to mid 40's and just starting to make a little profit.

le sigh, Goldsmithing, now thats profit for you....

Most of a RNG or COR's best armor and weapons are Quested, NM/BCNM drops or have immense longevity.

Contrast this to the WAR, MNK or SAM that has to upgrade weapons and armor every few levels. The expenses balance out in the long run, its just that RNG and CORs expense doesn't end at 75. For many other classes, expenses will eventually stop.

And no, I don't count shehei as an expense. A dozen shehei pouches is a drop in the bucket compared to a dozen pouches of steel bullets.

My complaint about bullets isn't so much the expense as it is the fact COR is a job that - from the DD standpoint - is totally at the mercy of crafters. We could say that about RNG, but then look at how many different kinds of ammo they get to kill things with and look how utterly cheap some of them are ( Holy Bolts).

Corsair has Bronze Bullets (which are so awful you should just skip using a gun til 22), Bullets (sometimes better to buy these of NPC, depending on server), Iron Bullets, Corsair Bullets (yeah, good luck getting these) and Steel Bullets. Five Tiers of bullets, one can't even be crafted.

But then, I've made it this far and making bullets cheaper would bring more noobish behavior to this class than already exists within the minority of CORs on each server. I like looking good, so I'll just take Quick Draw as a sign that SE doesn't want us to have status bullets.

[KoukiRyu]

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Just wanted to drop in on the RNG topic, if you level Woodoworking, which is fairly easy, crafting arrows can usually be used from one tier of WW to the next, as in 60-69, or other cases. I know a lot of people don't craft with such a huge level difference, but with mats that stack to 99, and Lumber being 12g each, I can handle it. That aside, RNG can be very very cheap if you craft arrows, and also you don't have to worry about running out of arrows if you keep mats on you, just gotta take a few mins out to craft a few stacks(while getting skill ups, even).

Ranger to 75 I'd definitely rate up there with one of the top most expensive, as there are tons of choice pieces of gear that I want and feel I need to be the best I can be. Not to mention the constant necessity of ammo. As soon as I see my quivers getting below 6 I heave a sigh at the thought of buying a new stack of Silver Bullets, or another stack of Kabura Arrow quivers, or Demon Arrow quivers when I'm feeling cheap. >_>; And don't even mention all the different bolts I have to pick up, and while cheap, they end up coming out to a lot with the sheer quantity you have to buy.

RNG to 37 is nothing to complain about and the cost is minimal, and even if you don't want WW to 100, getting it to 60 is gonna happen one day or another if you do any crafting. So taking care of it early and leveling a job at the same time seems good to me.