SkillChain Questions...

[The Mauva Syndicate]

On the Wiki it shows A B and C effects for a WS and states that if a SC can be formed with the A or B WS the system will always choose the Highest level (A over B) - So how do you proc the B effect? - what if the SC would only work with the B?

I need to pull off a Fusion SC so that we can both MB, He's WAR/WHM and I'm RDM/BLM so I can open with Liquefaction and if we can get the B effect he comes along with Impaction, while I'm already taking advantage of Fast cast to drop Fire and he goes for Banish or Cure (if undead, like Bogy's) - Or is Spinning Axe> Flat Blade the only way we are going to pull this off? Which means waiting for several more levels...

And why is the Transfixion SC so high level? I mean to open with Compression - without a BLU the lowest Compression WS is 1 inch punch which is Wslvl 75/lvl 24 so we can't pull off Transfixion without a BLU or a MNK? until much higher level?

[Armando]

Re: SkillChain Questions...

On the Wiki it shows A B and C effects for a WS and states that if a SC can be formed with the A or B WS the system will always choose the Highest level (A over B) - So how do you proc the B effect? - what if the SC would only work with the B?

A, B, or C only makes a difference if both of the WS's attributes can SC off of whatever was used before it. If you want the B Skillchain then simply make sure only the B attribute can close the SC.

And why is the Transfixion SC so high level? I mean to open with Compression - without a BLU the lowest Compression WS is 1 inch punch which is Wslvl 75/lvl 24 so we can't pull off Transfixion without a BLU or a MNK? until much higher level?

Because S-E said so. All SCs of the same level (Lv1 in this case) have the same strength.

Example: Liquefaction, follow it up with Cyclone (A - Detonation, B - Impaction) makes Fusion.

[Lunaryn]

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You always look at A before B, with the opening WS taking precedence. If there's no skillchain, move onto the next. First circumstance where a chain can be made is what occurs. So, for instance, you could never perform Gravitation between Sword and Scythe, because the only WSs that can form the opening and closing of that chain, Red Lotus Blade and Nightmare Scythe, will perform Red Lotus' A-position-based skillchain, Scission (And reversing them would cause Detonation rather than Liquefaction, due to Nightmare Scythe's A-position). On the other hand, Red Lotus Blade followed by Starburst would cause Gravitation, because even though Red Lotus Blade's A-position opens Scission and Fusion, neither the A- nor B-position of Starburst can close those skillchains. Thus, the B-position for Red Lotus Blade, which opens Scission and Gravitation, is used with the A-position for Starburst which closes Compression and Gravitation. So you end up with Gravitation.

In the example you cite above, if you opened with Burning Blade and he closed with Raging Axe, the A position of Raging Axe only closes Detonation. Since Burning Blade cannot open Detonation, the B position of Raging Axe, which closes Fusion, will be used.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: SkillChain Questions...

without a BLU the lowest Compression WS is 1 inch punch which is Wslvl 75/lvl 24

Even with a BLU you couldn't do Compression: Chain Affinity isn't until 40.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: SkillChain Questions...

I guess your direct question (how do you form a Fusion SC) was already covered.

As far as making a "B" or "C" SC happen over "A", the only way that I know you can override rank like that is if you perform a different SC first that forces the closing WS into a certain box on the SC chart.

For example, Red Lotus Blade to Skewer will do Fusion (where they are both labeled "A") rather than Gravitation (where they are both labeled "B"). However, if you open with a WS (perhaps Fast Blade) that forces Red Lotus Blade to close a Detonation SC, then Skewer will close the two-step SC with Gravitation.

[The Mauva Syndicate]

Re: SkillChain Questions...

Thank you all for the information!

It's kind of funny, when I ask PT members what SC's they can make, most don't know (unless they've been around for a while). SC+MB is such a nice way to eat mob HP in big giant chunks, I'm totally surprised I don't see it often, unless WE do it (and I've had PT members actually say "What was THAT?")...

Fusion with Fire and Light MB FTW!! If we can get the timing down....

[Nuriko]

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It was great fun when I was able to SA-SC as a THF in Korroloka ... it was like, "where did all the HP go?" It doesn't quite do that these days, but it's still nice when you can make it work...

[Kitalrez]

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I had the opposite problem in Jungles on THF. I was playing with Japanese players that had been TP burning for so long they'd forgotten how to skillchain. Was very odd being able to just stand behind the mob and crack off a SA normal attack or SA+WS whenever I was full. I made the PL regret that they came. Nothing panics a PL quite as much as a well equipped Taru THF going full out on ITs. Hey, I asked if they had a skillchain order, if the PLD didn't bother setting things up, I don't consider it my fault anymore. Sometimes the NA SAM would chain with me, otherwise, the DNC and /DNC just kept the sambas going until the PL could figure out who had hate.

I think I see now why melees go all out on burst dmg and blame the tank for lack of gear/abilities. Not saying I agree with it, or find it any less stupid than before, just that it's making sense finally. It's fun, but I prefer the normal setup.

[The Mauva Syndicate]

Re: SkillChain Questions...

Even with a BLU you couldn't do Compression: Chain Affinity isn't until 40.

Oh, Thanks - Guess I should've read more about BLU.

Never actually partied with one, only seen a few