BST solo camps and the ignorant players that ruin them.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I'm pretty polite about playing BST. I try to find camps that don't get in the way of EXP PTs. In fact, if I do EXP in a common area for EXP PTs, I go after mobs they aren't interested in. I've never really had a problem with EXP PTs, in fact, even when they show up in my camp.

Its the high level players that I've had issues with. The ones levelling NPC fellows are by far the most annoying. I generally consider NPC fellows to be one of the most worthless addtions to the game and a sympathy gift for people who can't solo. Not my fault you picked jon that couldn't solo and I don't see how killing off my pet mobs is worthwhile when they're Too Weak or EP to them.

I don't care if you're farming for saleable items, I don't care if you farming beastmen seals. If you're farming for a quest item, hey, just ask for help, I don't mind helping. Don't just assume a BST took up BST as their first to 75, many players have another high level job at this point in the game.

I've done Rivene Site #0A1 as a camp, I know people will stop by to get items for the mission, I can solo a Firedrake or Hippogryph so you don't have to risk death, just ask for help.

I don't mind the other BSTs, PUP, DRG or even BLMs that come to solo the same camp as they really don't slow down things too much. BLU I totally understand as they may be out to learn a spell. But they are competiton so nuts to them if I get claim first, though I may team up if asked. RDM, SMN and NIN soloists I have zero sympathy for, you can get a PTs for EXP easily so you don't need to solo for it - kindly buzz off. Farming with THF? Farm somewhere else.

I just hate that players don't have sense enough to respect a soloist's EXP camp. And I hate soloists that do the same for EXP PTs. Had a SMN duo invade the north camp in Mire the other week. I asked them nicely to leave our camp as the alcove was a place we were already pulling from and they were ruining out chains.

They didn't not respond and I know SE would just tell me they have just as much a right to be there as my PT does, but then I didn't have to tell those SMNs that a lightning elemental spawns in that alcove, either. The elementals took care of them for me.

I'd really just like to find a way to suggest high level players go elsewhere and respect a solo job's camp. I hate to be rude, though I am a professional at it

[Raydeus]

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Eh, people don't need your blessing for killing stuff anywhere, if the place is what you consider a BST camp or not is irrelevant, you don't own the mobs and players leveling either their npc, soloing or farming have the same right as you do to kill stuff in any area.

You can explain to players that you are xping there and ask for them to leave because you got there first and stuff, but they have no obligation to comply (specially if you act like you own the place).

I've only ran into a few players who claim an area and then bitch about you killing stuff. Of course without a sign or anything that tell other players a player has already claimed the place for themselves (and even so they still act like you have traspassed their private property).

You say "ask for help" like people are asking you to return a football that landed on your backyard, but that isn't the case at all.

Fortunately this cases are very rare but they happen, and just because you don't think a NPC's xp isn't as important as yours that doesn't mean everyone has to ask you for permission to kill mobs in an area to level their NPCs.

Now, if said player is doing it on purpose to mess with your fun then by all means, call a GM and let them handle the situation.

[Skoal]

Re: BST solo camps and the ignorant players that ruin them.

Show me on the doll where the NPC touched you.


I was under the assumption that people didn't really level NPC as much as they used too.

It seems to me that you don't like people invading you camp and that you try not invade other camps. I prefer to be away from ppl when I solo on my drg. I hate people curing me and messing up my rhythm. Also I don't anyone around when I screw up and die.

[Murphie]

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I'm with Raydeus. Those solo players that are interrupting your solo exp? They are soloing as well. You have surely pulled at crowded party camps enough before to know that you don't own the mob until it's claimed, so why would that be any different solo?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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That is all facinating, but we're talking player ettiquette, hence why I posted it here. This is about being a considerate player, not about you can and cannot do.

I don't "claim" a camp, but I don't disrespect the camps of others, so I think people should to the same for jobs that are, at times, forced to solo. This is largely due to community misconceptions about our jobs.

A BST does not diminish a PT's EXP, that only happens if a charmed pet is higher that the PT leaders level. Pets aren't commonly charmed BSTs in EXP PTs, they use jug pets that don't factor in to the penalty. If I BST does charm a mob in EXP, its for the sole purpose of crowd control.

BST, DRG and PUP all have to deal with people filtering out pet damage, too. If they parsed PT damage, people would see many of them really do contribute well and at times more than some of other much-vaunted jobs.

Yet we're sometimes forced to go alone if we expect to get any EXP at all in an evening.

I myself have no complaints about soloing BST, I profit from doing so quite nicely and prefer doing so. I get more beastmen seals in a span of hours than most people do all week.

I'm with Raydeus. Those solo players that are interrupting your solo exp? They are soloing as well. You have surely pulled at crowded party camps enough before to know that you don't own the mob until it's claimed, so why would that be any different solo?

Did you ready before replying or is this just RDM bias talking? Either that or you've never had a job that pretty much has to solo for EXP. If you have soloed your levels, I'd love to know how many beyond level 10.

I stated that I have no issues with other jobs soloing for EXP in the same area, they're just competiton. If a EXP PT is there, I can scratch their backs if they scratch mine and not get in the way of them. A level 40 PT in Gustav is not there for goblins, so I'm doing them a favor by removing them and using pets deeper in the zone to do so If you are not soloing for EXP in an area people are, you're a dick for doing so. If you're not soloing for EXP or a real objective, like an NM. mission or avatar, you're not really soloing at all, just killing weaker mobs.

People who kill pet mobs kill a BSTs ability to EXP in an area. Do you even realize that? That cuts into our EXP per hour an affects our ability to level up. Jug pets aren't for killing solo EXP mobs, they're for stalling to find the next mob to charm.

Why do you think its perfectly OK to cut into someone's ability to EXP if you yourself are not there to do the same? The claim argument is bullshit if the mob is the mob doesn't give you EXP.

I've seen BSTs help keep R pump runs clear of antlion links, happy to help people with coffers in Ifrit's Cauldron or Garalidge Citadel. Most BSTs I know are very polite and willing to help people, so I don't get why people think its just OK to disrespect their camps when they're typically far-removed from EXP PT camps.

The point isn't that everyone has equal right to claim, the point is its RUDE to interfere with somone's EXP. Its no different than an EXP PT coming and camping on top of your EXP PT.

[Hantz]

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A BST doesn't not diminish a PT's EXP.

....so, that means it does?.....

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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....so, that means it does?.....

It was a typo, Mr. Higgins.

[Hantz]

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It was a typo, Mr. Higgins.

Just funning of course. lol Mr. Higgins

[Murphie]

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Wow, you sure are friendly when someone disagrees with you. Yes, I've soloed quite a bit on several jobs. No where beyond the 40s or so (save on RDM, but that was rarely for exp), but that's still something. Does it suck when people move in on the place where I'm camping? Well, I wouldn't actually know, because I never solo for exp anywhere near where folks party. And if I run into another solo player, I don't begrudge them getting their fair share of the mobs.

I don't own any camp. I can hope that no one else is going to move in, but I'm not going to get all worked up when someone does. Unless I am that player, I have no idea what their reason is for killing those mobs. I can speculate all day long, but I still don't know. It's when I ascribe motivations to these people without any information that they become the enemy, but that doesn't make me any more right.

Your sense of entitlement is pretty ridiculous, but it's no less than I expected. And while you may think it's adorable to talk down to other posters, you may be surprised to find out (I know, how could it be possible BBQ doesn't fucking know something?) that you aren't going to get much sympathy when you condescend.

The bottom line, by the way, is that while I sympathize with the plight of anyone (BST, exp party, whatever) who has a camp "stolen" from them, the fact remains that you're not going to remove all of the inconsiderate players from the game, so you may as well just get the hell over it and move on to more important things. Getting worked up over something you're not going to be able to change is just a waste of time.

[Karinya]

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I don't know where you get the idea that killing a mob for EXP for yourself somehow takes precedence over killing it for other reasons (EXP for your NPC, seals and other drops, blue magic, or whatever the hell you want to kill it for). But unless you can come up with something solid to explain why you have more right to that monster than the other player, you're not doing anything more than whining.

Yes, crowded camps are a pain. Being in a camp for a while and then having it suddenly *become* crowded is even more of a pain. But you don't own the zone, even if you were there first. SE made the rules regarding who owns a mob; they are what they are and no amount of whining will... well, scratch that, actually, they *DID* change them once because of whining. (Granted, that was about MPKs, not just claim stealing.) Theoretically they might do so again, but probably not in the way you want.


Oh, and before you get so worked up about how you "have to" solo: tell it to all the DDs that have just as hard a time finding an exp party invite and *can't* solo for exp the way a BST can. Personally, I've hardly ever seen a BST LFP except with a comment that indicated BST party only; you can't really complain that nobody invites you if you don't try. Do you really think that if you LFP on BST you'd get *less* invites than you would on your DRG or RNG? Or are you just desperate not to lose your "get out of LFP free" card? Lots of jobs LFP all night, while earning 0 exp/hr, and don't get an invite. Sometimes several nights in a row. Even a competitive camp is a huge improvement over that.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Wow, you sure are friendly when someone disagrees with you.

When the OP posts something and you make an argument without really reading it, that's kinda an invite to get roasted because you're replying ignorantly.

I don't own any camp. I can hope that no one else is going to move in, but I'm not going to get all worked up when someone does.

You said it yourself, you don't generally solo for EXP. When you do solo for EXP, as stated before, its not exactly easy to find camps to make it worthwhile. That's why BSTs generally colaborate in various forums to help other BSTs find those camps. The EXP path for EXP PTs is well-trodden, if in an annoyingly stubborn and inflexible way.

There are nights on BST where each camp you try has someone farming seals, levelling NPCs or just killing mobs out of sheer boredom. Do I leave Gustav when I sense Bune is about to be camped. Yep, because, I know each player is going to kill stuff out of supposed boredom.

NM camping I understand too, but you should know the nature of the NM and how it pops instead of just killing everything you see, that's dumb unless it links to something. Not all of them are forced into popping.

Your sense of entitlement is pretty ridiculous.

I never once said BSTs or any soloists owns a camp, I said it was inconsiderate for some players to just roam in and start killing shit when they're not there for a genuine purpose that progresses their character. Read before replying, otherwise, expect to be condecended to.

I'm sure you've complained, at some point, about BSTs or other jobs coming in to low level camps and killing off your EXP per hour. And I'm sure somone in your PT has actively griped at them over it. We get this shit all the time even when we're not EXP on mobs EXP PTs are after.

As for things not going to change, there was a time when things were not like this and that was between the introduction of NPC fellows and the release of ToA. When people started roaming into solo camps, soloists stopped respecting EXP PT camps and in that regard, I cannot blame them.

This topic is simply about respecting a camp, people have done this in the past. People still can and do. But the majority no longer does.

I guess I should at least be thankful CoP zones and Zilart zones at 55+ are practically deserted now, that will at least make things less of an issue.

I don't know where you get the idea that killing a mob for EXP for yourself somehow takes precedence over killing it for other reasons (EXP for your NPC, seals and other drops, blue magic, or whatever the hell you want to kill it for). But unless you can come up with something solid to explain why you have more right to that monster than the other player, you're not doing anything more than whining.

I believe I said something about reading before replying (See above). Explainations were given, you didn't read them, hell, you're flaming me for things I said I understood and respected like Blue Magic. Why bother reading anything you say in reply?

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Omgwtfbbqkitten's interesting social skills aside, I think it's not hard to be sympathetic to his position that high level players should show more consideration for low level players.

I think most players exp'ing would cry foul if I decided to mass murder all the crabs on Qufim Island on my RDM67 "Because I need crab meat and you don't own these mobs." Same if I'm inclined to test -ga spell damage and elemental resistance with the mandies in Yhoator Jungle, or leveling my NPC on crawlers in Crawlers' Nest, I would think.

This is especially the case if they are there first, and I came along later blasting their exp/hour to three digits.

I think in most cultures there's a certain sense of having more "rights" to a place or resource if one was there or started using the resource earlier. Someone panning for gold in the river would certainly be unhappy if another came along to camp right next to him and start to pan for gold as well. A farmer who has been using a river's water for irrigation would definitely protest if a city decides to dam up a river to increase its water supply. And, etc.

Players are humans--it's far from unreasonable to ask them to extend what would be common courtesies IRL to in-game, I think.

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As for not like NIN and RDM solo'er--well, Omgwtfbbqkitten is on his own with that; I definitely have sympathy for SMN wanting to solo, as well.

[Anaki]

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there is a term in this game called "limited time" sometimes people only have 30 minutes to play until they have work and they just need a bit more xp for a buffer/rlvl/merit any job can be in that scenario. like nin or rdm

also just because you declare something useless doesn't mean it is, some people like the fellow NPC quest and do lvl up there NPCs no reason for you to get mad at them for doing that.

you really just seem to be whining about how other people play this game also.

[Murphie]

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I read the damn OP before I responded. Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean that I didn't read it, or that I'm stupid, or that I don't understand the damn concept.

The OP is nothing new. BBQ just likes to rant a lot, for reasons I don't care to figure out. But BSTs have been talking about this for years, so I'm not sure why we should suddenly take notice now.

Yeah, it sucks when people take your camps, but you don't own the mobs. If I decide to come through when you're getting exp in a zone and kill the mobs for whatever reason, I can, because you don't own them. Does it make me a dick? A little bit, yeah. But you don't know why I'm killing them, and it's really none of your business, just as it's none of my business why you're there.

That said, I don't do things like this, because I'm not a dick. And when people do things like this to me, I just move on, because I don't care enough to make a big deal about it. I'm not going to change their behavior, and allowing them to make me angry is a waste of time.

edit: Itazura - If BBQ could learn to deal with disagreement better, it'd be easier to look past the attitude and get to the meat of the posts. But it doesn't really seem worth it most of the time.

[Skylar]

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Murphie**


That said, I don't do things like this, because I'm not a dick. And when people do things like this to me, I just move on, because I don't care enough to make a big deal about it. I'm not going to change their behavior, and allowing them to make me angry is a waste of time.


I couldnt agree more.