(yet another) Valkurm Dunes Rant

[Sevv]

Re: (yet another) Valkurm Dunes Rant

Well I've leveled 9/18 of my jobs through the Dunes completely, and all of them have been there at least once. When I come upon the bats, if I didn't happen to bring stealth, I just /shout Sand Bats {Help me out!} <pos> {Thank you.} and usually they're dead in minutes.
Do I expect newbs to know that they need silent oils? No. I think S/E was incredibly cruel to place those bats where they are, knowing that 9/10 newbs weren't going to know that the bats would aggro them.
As for gob aggro, everyone should know by Dunes level that gobs aggro.
And if you're a higher level (30+ is even "high" enough here) you should know what aggros and what doesn't and plan accordingly. Though the first time you go to the dunes, if your nation has it, you should do the OP right off, so the bats never become an issue.

16/18 and you know what s-e sucks, The day I finished the pre toau jobs, they announced Blu, now I was going to level the other 2 thru tonight and they announced dancer. Damn you s-e.

[Aksannyi]

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Yeah I was going to take all of my jobs to 20 to forever end my time in the Dunes, but then they are announcing new jobs so I didn't even bother, I'll still have to buy new gear all over again. >.<

[macphile]

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This sounds a mite familiar. I partied for the first time in VD a little while back (only my third party ever, which is just sad but is entirely on me). I was in La Theine when I was invited and had to cross pretty much all of it to get there, and of course, I'm being told to hurry up as I go, but it's not like I was right at the VD exit when I got invited. I get to VD and was standing there all alone, eyeing a goblin, wondering how I was going to find the party. I did eventually, although it took me forever. I didn't use Sneak to do it, I just went for it. I guess I was lucky that no mobs took notice of me. Things were going well, party-wise, except for our warrior dying, and then we got this new guy, and...it was pretty funny, really. We died, but it was funny. The new guy had his ideas, and the captain had his, and when the captain ran off to our old camp site, a few of us followed, and we never made it (*sniff*).

[kaitokun]

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After reading all of that i dont really know how im gonna feel about going to the dunes for the first time. I was aware about gobbies going aggro on site and dont really have a problem avoiding them but i had no idea about the bats.

[Silent Howler]

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Well as long as you go to the dunes from the south you shouldn't have to worry about the bats. By the time the party moves to fight crabs you'll all be able to handle them. But if you are coming from the north then you have two choices basically: bring Silent Oils or shout for assistance. But whatever you do don't try to run or "sneak" through because that rarely ever works out.

[Sabaron]

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Necroing a rant thread eh? Oh well...at least your response is pertinent.

For my money (read time), I generally skip the dunes. If you add up the time you spend walking around finding your party, waiting for people who have to {Bio}, force D/C, die and hp to South San d'Oria, etc. you'll find that you would have been better off soloing. Check out Buburimu Peninsula and Konschtat Highlands.

[Lunaped]

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OP is being a whiny pussy. Seriously.

You don't give a rats ass if mages don't have all their spells? You don't care if a person is *at least* up to date on some of their gear that will make them more efficient?

Seriously, if you hate leveling in dunes with a party then learn how to solo. Instead of bitching and ranting about it get over it and stop being an arrogant prick. There ARE places in home town areas that are made for party's between 12-16.

Sandy, there's ghelsba outpost, Basty, there's Korrokola tunnels and so forth. You can avoid the Dunes if you honestly wanted to. And hell, getting to those home points isn't that hard.



In the end, I hope you start playing with mages that aren't up to date with their spells. Then we'll see another thread of you ranting and bitching about how mages can't keep up with their spells.

[eticket109]

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OP is being a whiny pussy. Seriously.

The OP was over a year ago.

[Lunaped]

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The OP was over a year ago.

And yet the thread still exists.

Forums in for pruning maybe?

[Sabaron]

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1. lol, kk ill remember to paragraph next time

2. Really wow, I never noticed that before, I thought only raise II and III gave back some exp, since most if not all people are willing to hp and be courteous and come back if they must, well still lol, it doesn't forgive him from his stubborn rudeness and he thought all his exp would regain and I said its not worth it to stay and wait for raise for the amount of exp you loose. If he finds out and I party with him again he can partially rub it into my face XD. O well both right and wrong. Still I cant believe he diddnt just hp lol. I guess the reason he diddnt notice, that no exp was regained is becuase he was hoping to regain it all and level back up to 15, but it diddnt quite make it so he was still 14 lol.

Once you said it was over a year old I had to know... The reason it's still alive and kicking is because this isn't the first time it has been necroed... This is the second. This thread is on it's third life now--The post above in August of 2007 was the first raising. By now, there's nothing left of the original thread but dusty old bones. Perhaps a moderator should get out the trusty buryin' shovel and send this unholy abomination back to the depths which spawned it...

Oh, and in general forum etiquette terms--it is often better to leave old dead threads alone and make a new thread. By necroposting very old and very long threads like this one, you will cause others to have to reread the entire thread just to figure out what you're talking about. Also, remember that MMORPGs change a lot over time. When this thread was posted, Valkurm Dunes didn't have any Goblin Bounty Hunters which is quite relevant considering they can be annoying when trying to XP on a beach. Instead of necroing, read your old thread and then post a new thread with your questions and ideas--you can make your own executive summary of the thread (or even link it in) as a reference if you feel the need.

[eticket109]

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And yet the thread still exists.
Forums in for pruning maybe?

The thread still exists because there are more recent, pertinent replies. I was pointing out that responding to those as opposed to flaming the OP was a bit more constructive.

I find it ironic that you talk about the poster being whiny when you seem to have a habit of bitching about how this place is run.

[Aksannyi]

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And yet the thread still exists.

Forums in for pruning maybe?

They don't delete old threads on any forum I go to, why should this one be any different? They might see fit to LOCK old threads so people like you don't bump them and use them as your own personal vehicle for bitching, but they apparently haven't gotten around to it.

I have noticed that this isn't the only ancient thread you've bumped to complain about something the OP said. Perhaps you need to do something a bit more constructive with your time.

[Icemage]

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They don't delete old threads on any forum I go to, why should this one be any different? They might see fit to LOCK old threads so people like you don't bump them and use them as your own personal vehicle for bitching, but they apparently haven't gotten around to it.

I have noticed that this isn't the only ancient thread you've bumped to complain about something the OP said. Perhaps you need to do something a bit more constructive with your time.

This forum auto-locks any thread older than 6 months. It didn't used to - I bugged the admins and begged on hands and knees to make it happen so we wouldn't get the sort of 1-year old severe necroposting that used to happen with regularity.

This particular thread is still relavent - people still go to Valkurm, and it still sucks just as much as ever. Hence why it has never been locked.


Icemage

[Lunaped]

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They don't delete old threads on any forum I go to, why should this one be any different? They might see fit to LOCK old threads so people like you don't bump them and use them as your own personal vehicle for bitching, but they apparently haven't gotten around to it.

I have noticed that this isn't the only ancient thread you've bumped to complain about something the OP said. Perhaps you need to do something a bit more constructive with your time.

Of course they don't delete old threads. It's something called Archiving.

Why lock old threads when you can simply move them into the Archiving section of the forum where no one will be able to reply anyway? And all you can do is read it? You're the brain of knowledge right? So, use your brains.

And what if I'm bumping old threads? If you don't want old threads to be bumped then do something about it. You have the little nifty color green on your title, must mean you're MOD of some sort, right? Use the powers that have been given to you. *politely bows to the all knowing brain*

And my own personal vehicle for bitching? Darling, if I wanted to bitch about what a horrible party I was in, I would of made my own thread. I'm not one to hi-jack. Oh, btw, I don't see you bitching at others for bumping the thread more then once even if it was made a year ago.

Huh, must be some biased opinion here. Great mod you are! /clap

[Coinspinner]

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I've never had any problems in Valkurm that I didn't also have in it's substitutes. At that level every job's survivability is poor, and WHM is the only healer with a heal stronger than 30 HP before 14/15/17. Wherever you go, people are still gonna be idiots about aggro, bringing a ranged weapon, and waiting for a Raise because they didn't set homepoint nearby.

I've never gotten faster exp in those other places than in Valkurm. I have had a far easier time getting a party together for Valkurm than Buburimi, Shakrami, or Korroloka or wherever. Unless you arrange it well in advance it's futile to even try, at which point they're not going to be much better exp than Valkurm and get crowded much more easily.