Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

[lionx]

Just today, someone told me that if you WS after a skillchain, it will cancel out any Magic Bursts...i never heard this before. For example, if you do Double Thrust => Viper Bite, and it does Distortion. If i do Red Lotus Blade while or a bit after the SFX appears for Distortion, i will close the window for Magic Bursting....i never heard of this before...is this true?

[Caspian]

Re: Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

If they MB at the end of the window and you WS early in the window it can prevent the MB from taking effect. Its happened to me a couple times. You can WS and still have the MB go off if you just push the WS to the end of the window, the MB should have gone off at the point and you can still continue the SC with another WS. I've had both happen to me, just have to be good with timing and having intelligent people in your party helps too.

[lionx]

Re: Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

What i mean is i coudnt have continued the skillchain anyway at low lvls because its a lvl 2 Distortion..does it still stop the MB?

[Caspian]

Re: Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

Well, you could still continue that SC with Red Lotus Blade, it would be Liquefication. And afaik, doing a WS will close the MB window if I understand the mechanics correctly. Unless ofcourse its one of the non-SCable WS's like Spirits Within.

[Armando]

Re: Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

That's the thing, Caspian...you can't continue Distortion, it's a Lv.2 Skillchain. The reason why doing another WS "closes" the MB window is because you usually change to another Skillchain when doing so, and thus the MB wouldn't match the SC. I haven't tried it myself, but I see no reason why using a WS after a Skillchain would close the MB window if it doesn't continue the SC.

[Caspian]

Re: Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

Ah f*** it, forget I even talk.

Try doing three WS's. Two that chain, and one in the middle that doesn't chain with either. If the 1st and 3rd still chain, then if the rules hold true, adding on Red Lotus Blade shouldn't close the MB window.

[lionx]

Re: Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

Thats not what i am trying to say maybe i am misinterpeting what you are saying...

Lets say they did Double Thrust and then Viper Bite...it does Distortion. Now AFTER the SFX appeared...anything at low lvl couldnt possibly continue the Distortion..so AFTER the SFX...like lets say...Red Lotus Blade was used by me...would that close the Magic Burst Window...?

I did not use a WS in the Middle of the Skillchain, the skillchain was performed correctly...AFTER the SC i used my WS(which at lvl 34 cannot possibly continue Distortion)....but then the WHM and BLM in my party bitched that because i did that, the mages were not able to Magic Burst because i used a WS AFTER the Skillchain successfully took place. I just wanted to know is this true...i never heard of this before.

Or maybe i just need something in my face to know...-_-;a Thanks in advance though for answering.

[Caspian]

Re: Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

Yeah, I understand what you are saying now. I was saying that if the rules of skillchains holds true, then the potential test I brought up works (which would require fewer people to test) then it shouldn't close the magic burst window.
I do not know whether or not a weapon skill that is potentially skillchainable but doesn't skillchain with the current weapon skills will still interfere with the mechanics of the other skillchain. I really hope the way I worded that makes sense.

[Icemage]

Re: Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

Doing any weaponskill that can initiate a skillchain (whether it links into the existing one or not) automatically closes the magic burst window.

i.e. Fast Blade > Red Lotus Blade : Liquefaction. If I start casting Fire II at this point, but someone completes the WS Combo before I finish casting, my Magic Burst will fail (though Combo will trigger a Fusion skillchain - unfortunately my Fire II won't land in that window). This is also true even if the other weaponskill does NOT link in; the same exact thing will happen if someone follows up with, say, Penta Thrust. It won't link to a new skillchain, but it will still close the window and make my Fire II not burst.


Icemage

[Jaxom]

Re: Skillchains and Weapon Skill interruption

I actually never knew that, I wonder if I've ever done that on accident? Considering I play mainly as rdm (and I'm not one who clings to rdm melee), probably not. Either way good to know. Can always count on Ice to set things straight...