Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

[Zanta]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

i agree it really rude to try and tell ppl what they should do with equipment more than anything cause i'm a GS only drk but as long as the ppl checking dont /t me than i'm ok with it entirely, might acttually get kind of annoying if every person who like my equipent sent a /tell
no offence toward anyone it does offend, to each his own i guess

[Macht]

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heh, Match you act like someone is peeping into your house in real life. I could see getting pissed off if you were MPKed because that directly affects your character (and you) in some way. That IS a lack of respect and is just plain rude and mean. /check does what? Brings up 1 little line of text on your window? /shrug Everyone is entitled to their thoughts on it and its all personal taste. Not trying to shoot you down.

I can understand but it's like I think the movie is Old Yeller. The family is basically poor and was pratically handed the money to them that they definatly needed, yet the refused? Why? It isn't that the guy was rude or that they didn't really need it, it was the whole principle of the matter.

That similar with the /check it isn't that I see that line of text or not, it's simply the principle of the matter. If you know that someone can be offended by such an action without first requesting then it's just plain rude by it's principle if you actually go and do /check without first requesting.

[Jamastu]

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Turning off the messages for the /checks just means you are ignoring it. It doesn't matter if I see the message or not it's the principle in the whole thing. Just boils down simply that I would preffer to be granted the same respect as I would do to you. It doesn't matter if you think it to be alright, the fact you won't respect my equipment by requesting first means you have no respect for me.

Also it is pretty rude, because you are assured with those that /check a good handful will have an elitist attitude and think they know best on gear and put down what you have. That's more then reason enough to not do it, why stress the player on the other end expecting that someone is possibly going to insult their playstyle or choice.

glad i'm not the only one who thinks this....i get examined everywhere i go (no bazaar) i'm saying sure it's ok when it's like 1 0r 2 checks but i get like 50 anywhere and everywhere i go.... ><

[The_Krazy_Taco]

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Nah,i find it weird when people ask me,if they do it over and over and its not spammin i dont care,but now that i kno about the option to turn it off i dont think people should complain.

Double Post Edited:
When i examine people to see what they have its not like im doing it to disrespect em or for laughs like haha cus im not asking im insulting u,if sumone does it for that reason their obviously too stupid or lonely to matter to complain about.so im pretty sure not many people who examine you are thinkin about the principal about if u dont ask u dont respect me or my equipment,but im not gonna say not all do,just sayin that its nothin big to get upset over.

[tdh]

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This has been a topic I've never undestood. I've heard so many arguements on why it's supposedly rude, and none of those reasons made any sense to me. ("It's like somebody going through your wallet." Does that make sense to anybody here?)

For me, as long as they don't do it 100 times, I don't give a squat. I've thought about turning it off, but never did. Don't even recall why I didn't.

Sometimes I ask. But I usually only do a /check because I wonder what job they are, and possibly the level. So I have two macros. One for /check <t>, and the other for /search all <t>. The Search macro does the job fo rme most times. Some times I will ask. A LS member's friend, or something like that. I'll ask then, outside of that I don't bother.

Part of me thinks it's one of those things where the JPN started it, and others who thought they were better, or something, decided they'd do it as well. I just really wonder if this would have ever been done if our JPN brothers and sisters hadn't already been doing it.

[Icemage]

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Should also note that at end-game, there's a subtle art and protocol for checking. If you /check people incessantly, you tend to get labelled as "nosy", which can and will stick with your reputation. This may not seem like a big deal to those of you who think nothing of /checking someone, but there are a number of players who do it so often that it supersedes everything else they do, and quite a few veteran players consider excessive checking to be rather gauche, and will view anyone who practices it in a negative manner.

When you get to end-game at level 75 and you start seeing the same set of people over and over, opportunity arrives to form lasting impressions. The last thing you want "on the record" when you try to join an HNMLS or other end-game activity group is for someone voicing an opinion to say "Oh, THAT guy. Yeah, he's nosy and insecure, I don't know if he'll fit in."

At lower levels, it's relatively safe to /check people without having it rebound on your reputation. At end-game, it's not always politically safe to do so.


Icemage

[pearlsea]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Personaly i think its cool to be checked

[Xhaztol]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

You know what people need to do? Not let it bother them. I don't even care if people check me 4 times in a row. Maybe they missed something or forgot what they were looking at. Like I give a damn. Checking people is part of the game. It gives you some insight to how a person performs with the equipment they have. You know what's more annoying than getting checked?

Getting this crap:

/em feels examined. Now THAT isn't necessary.

Wow, I'm tired.

[Enialas]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Should also note that at end-game, there's a subtle art and protocol for checking. If you /check people incessantly, you tend to get labelled as "nosy", which can and will stick with your reputation. This may not seem like a big deal to those of you who think nothing of /checking someone, but there are a number of players who do it so often that it supersedes everything else they do, and quite a few veteran players consider excessive checking to be rather gauche, and will view anyone who practices it in a negative manner.

When you get to end-game at level 75 and you start seeing the same set of people over and over, opportunity arrives to form lasting impressions. The last thing you want "on the record" when you try to join an HNMLS or other end-game activity group is for someone voicing an opinion to say "Oh, THAT guy. Yeah, he's nosy and insecure, I don't know if he'll fit in."

At lower levels, it's relatively safe to /check people without having it rebound on your reputation. At end-game, it's not always politically safe to do so.


Icemage

Well, I'm going to respond to another one of your posts

Since I got my Paragon title, I turned off my filter to see who /checks me. Once I was in jeuno I saw a /sh {Limit Break} 2 {Help me out!} /t <name> ... well i noticed it was someone I had pt'ed with recently and since I had nothing to do but wait for someone to log in to help me w/ Garlaige Citadel, I was like "sure I'll help"

1st every elitist who gets "upset" if you /check them, /checked me... so really, that particular bunch is just full of hipocrites. also they're also apparently too good for party/alliance chat, because even though they'll demand that us lowbie noobs pay attention, they won't acknowledge, that I'm just helping out someone... and finally after i Warped out after making an announcement after they threatened to d/b if I participated as a combatant instead of for the quest I get a /tell "lol, you're not finished with the quest yet!" then "if you don't need G2, then why did you come?" I guess the lvl 75 needed it then? >_>

if a lvl75, /checks us lowbie noobs, why do they get high and mighty if they get /checked? do as I say not as I do? I make the rules, not you? sound like any familiar phrases we might have heard growing up? that's why it's rude if your lvl70 or lower on my server and not rank 9+, but it's not rude otherwise. sorry, i still don't subscribe. one of these days if something like that happens again, i'll probably spam /check on them.

maybe if I were on your server Ice Mage, and you forgot to ask first (ie be "rude"), and I /check you back and you let my "rudeness" slide, no prob from me, but if you flip out on me, you're just one less person I'll be respectful towards.

laters

[Icemage]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

maybe if I were on your server Ice Mage, and you forgot to ask first (ie be "rude"), and I /check you back and you let my "rudeness" slide, no prob from me, but if you flip out on me, you're just one less person I'll be respectful towards.

You missed the point entirely. As I said, at lower levels, it's usually passed off as nothing special, and there are times when /checking someone has a strategic use even in a party when you're not sure what sort of things you need to do to make best use of the party's strengths.

It's not that people will "flip out" on you when you check them. Far from it. They'll just comment to their friends and any interested observers about your behavior, and if it's common enough, probably share a quiet chuckle about predictability. Chances are, you'll never see any of these comments, but you'll probably feel their effect indirectly when you try and sign up for an HNMLS. Good HNMLSs are very picky about who they let join, and this is exactly the sort of black mark that will blackball you out of membership.


Icemage

[fastcart]

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I have to agree with Icemage. I can't tell you how often ppl get labelled as a groupie or gets an "orz" when the name of a spam checker comes up in LS.

Another note, if you check a lvl 75 and feel compelled to compliment him/her on their gear, be sensible about it. Someone about lvl 30 or so (with a lvl 16 sam) checked me today and sent me a tell (exact quote):

"(Samurai) /cream"

No lie!! ;; So, please be mindful that stuff like this does get around on LS. A simple "Nice gear" comment will suffice unless you say the same thing to everyone. ^^

[BurningPanther]

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I don't see the big problem with checking other people's gear. It used to bother the hell out of me to be examined back when I was starting the game, the only reason being that I repeatedly thought the checker had something to say to me:

??? examines you.
/t ??? Did you want something?
>>??? lol, no. ^^

So I was a n00b, sue me.

Since then, I simply turned off that chat feature, and have not missed it. It matters not to me if someone feels the need to appraise or peruse my gear, I hope they like what they see. If they feel the need to critique what I have, then I might follow the cue to improve what I have, or I might not. Simple as that.

When I steal glances at other peoples' gear, it's usually because I like looking at the pretty armor, or perhaps to get an idea on what I could-or should-be wearing.

The way I see it, examining other peoples' armor is a great icebreaker.

[Arris]

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I had it filtered long ago. It's annoying, so I rather just choose to ignore it for a peace of mind.

lol ppl need to read what you said instead of argueing about rudeness. If you find it rude filter it. bump^-^

[Cesaria]

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I used to hate it with a passion, because all I ever saw were the holes in my equipment, the things I wanted to be much much better and so I'd cringe if someone checked me (someone had once slated me for my equipment and I'd never forgotten it really) and if another red mage checked me I'd want to curl up under the bed and hide with embarrassment.

It doesn't really bother me anymore - even though I don't tend to go in for checking people myself much - I can tell most of the external stuff that interests me by sight, and the stuff I want I pretty much know the stats on anyhow. I do get checked a fair bit though when out of Jeuno for having bits of af2 and stuff that are still kinda unusual to see about (and normal bard af attracts a lot of checks as well because it's kinda rare) and it's something you just have to deal with. Plus I kinda like it when I get a tell about "omg you got x" or whatever.

Midgard's such a bloody small server anyhow I think everyone knows within 10 minutes when something like RDM AF2 hat drops and who gets it - it doesn't tend to be level 75s that do the checking (probably because they do so much gossiping they all know who has what anyhow :D ).... it bugs me when the same person checks you in Jeuno like 10 times a day, or when they check you when you're running around naked with no LS equipped - like um... WHY?!

[eriatarka]

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i dont mind people checking me, kind of shows that people are interested in what you got, and if you have good gear you definetly shouldnt mind =P Personnaly i think it would be really annoying if i got 377263 tells asking for a /check when i walk into bastok