Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Perhaps I was a little harsh in my assessment - however...

Whm's and Red Mages both have similar combat skills - albeit with different weapons. A properly geared Whm will have slightly less DoT than an standard melee.

Whm's have access to harder hitting weapons than Red Mages, so unless they're doing the whole beestinger/enspell trick - they'll be feeding the mob less tp per damage overall (presuming both have capped skills).

Now - getting a Whm to the point they can melee (and melee as well as a frontliner) - is a little harder, but not impossible. They have more tools to survivability in the front line than other jobs do - and with a little gearswapping can go from DD to healer to DD in the stroke of a button - *and* don't need to rely on Ele staves - especially if they're at the point where they're maintaining a good regen cycle.

So do I believe it's hypocritical that a Red Mage thinks *they* can melee but "When that WHM with +STR rings runs up to the front and starts whacking away with his club, that's when I'd kick him"? Utterly and totally.

It's not accepted and it's not standard - granted, but - given the choice - I'd like to see things be fair. Because a Whm can put out numbers like a melee. Just takes a little bit of work. I wish the EminenceLS site hadn't removed the thread regarding the Six Whm Meripo parties running about with the pictures - they were most cool. ><

[Feba]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Personally, I think it's silly. /check doesn't effect you in any way, everyone who has played for more than 3 hours knows it's a game function and not something perverse, and you can even filter the chat line associated with it.


Most of the people who still say anything about it are just posers trying to act cool, not people actually offended by it.

Double Post Edited:

but WHM meleeing is going to be considered a noob in the first degree, and you can't deny that.

unless the WHM actually knows how to melee, and has melee equip.



One of the best DDs on my server is a WHM with relic club, but do you want to know something? Half the damage is thanks to the offhand k.club. Yes, mobs WS a little more, whoopity do, he's beating dark knights.

He said that a DD in excellent gear could beat him, but most don't have good enough. I beleive the only time he's actually been outdamaged was by a RNG with Relic Gun [Post Patch]

Once, a PT I was in in yuhtunga had three WHMs. I changed to melee gear, and headed out there, and kept up with the decently equpped DRG in my parser.

[Mog]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Whoa! Hang on lady... let me get this straight...

It's OK for you to melee as a Rdm, but it's not OK for the Whm to.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/party.etiquette.fighting.tactics/54833-zomg.youre.doing.your.job.too.well-2.html

Do I see a double standard (YOU BET YOUR ARSE I AM).. and yes.. I will link your posts.

Better get editing right now else you'll look stupid.

If the "Red Mage" can pull out a sword an swing at the mob, so can the "White Mage" except with a hammer.

I thought (past tense) you were within reason saying if as a Red Mage you did your duties you were fine to melee, but now I see you turn the other cheek.

Maybe I was wrong in believing that a Red Mage could multitask. By your analogy - if a White Mage can't - neither can you. Please reaffirm you're now booted (from party) status.

- Saeriel

What does this have to do with checking people?

[UnnamedGalka]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

In my opinion, those who flip out over a single "unauthorized" /check need to chill. As long as the command exists, you'll never have *total* privacy of your equipment. Just deal.

Now, if someone spams /checks on you, then yes, THAT is quite rude.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

What does this have to do with checking people?

Basically.. if you read the thread previous.. it states.. that they check the Whm and see them wearing Str Rings.

Part of the standard Whm DD build.. either that or Snipers... but I digress.

It's more frustrating the classic hypocracy.

/check is not important. Being rude is. /checking someone once - isn't important. /judging someone because you apply a double standard is.

When people start realising that looking at people isn't a bad thing, but getting neurotic over it is... they can go back to being gamers.

And I'm sorry if I got aggressive in my post. I despise the do as I say, not as I do attitude. It's the same with /check and so many other things...

When people stop associating /check with /judge then my statements become invalid.

I did digress - but this whole thread went from /check as query rudeness to people varying from the norm and being /judged. Personally I find the /judge far more offensive and detrimental to the game than /check. But that's just me.

Irony really. ^^

- Saeriel.

[Draco Dagon]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Basically.. if you read the thread previous.. it states.. that they check the Whm and see them wearing Str Rings.

Part of the standard Whm DD build.. either that or Snipers... but I digress.

It's more frustrating the classic hypocracy.

/check is not important. Being rude is. /checking someone once - isn't important. /judging someone because you apply a double standard is.

When people start realising that looking at people isn't a bad thing, but getting neurotic over it is... they can go back to being gamers.

And I'm sorry if I got aggressive in my post. I despise the do as I say, not as I do attitude. It's the same with /check and so many other things...

When people stop associating /check with /judge then my statements become invalid.

I did digress - but this whole thread went from /check as query rudeness to people varying from the norm and being /judged. Personally I find the /judge far more offensive and detrimental to the game than /check. But that's just me.

Irony really. ^^

- Saeriel.

And, where is this double standard you're assuming she has? She has already stated if a WHM can melee AND do her job as a WHM worthy of the party that there is no problem. Dude, before you go around saying others have a double standard, I do suggest taking the plank out of your own eye before you judge.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

I would suggest you read the point that I quoted...

When that WHM with +STR rings runs up to the front and starts whacking away with his club, that's when I'd kick him.

From a Red Mage.

I'm not going to post anymore on this point - as it's quite clear. Thanks.

- Sae

[Draco Dagon]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

I would suggest you read the point that I quoted...



From a Red Mage.

I'm not going to post anymore on this point - as it's quite clear. Thanks.

- Sae

I read that point-but I also read her post where she explained it-unlike you.

[fastcart]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Keep it civil guys. My finger is nearing the close button...

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Neither WHMs nor RDMs should exp (neighbortaru>> did you mean melee Renarudo?) under normal circumstances. We've all beaten around this bush and kicked this dead horse enough times for me to grow extremely apathetic towards either argument.

Just don't do it.

Chances are, you're pt won't like it, and you'll just make a bad name for yourself.

There is pt time and there is solo time, find you're own time to melee.

RDMs and WHMs CAN melee, but they do so at a different pace than heavy Damage Dealers. No matter what you might say, even with Haste and a Joyeuse, my NIN friend gets TP at double the pace I do.

To say otherwise is to show the extreme lack of knowledge one has, and to cite the efforts of those with normally unnattainable items such as Relic Weapons and such does not indicate that Mage Melee is possible under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

[Drive]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

I'm very unusual i think, or maybe not. I'm nosy and I am self-conscious. So i would be a total hypocrite because if someone is checking me I think they are saying something bad in linkshell and I believe if I don't check someone I won't be the best I can be. So I put up the filter and now I get a "out of sight, out of mind" outlook. but I still need the bazaar check feature, everytime I scream to myself "BUY SOMETHING!".

[Hamlet]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Multi-checking is rude in my opinion. Once, twice, like I said is fine. Sometimes you have to do a doubletake. But four times? I don't think so. Makes me wonder if they want something. I've been inclined to ask on a few occasions. Or say, 'Yes, I am indeed a summoner. Your eyes do not decieve you, good sir.'

Maybe you have a particularly cool item on you that they haven't seen before. Or maybe your gear is so crappy they just can't beleive it.

In either case, who cares? Why is it rude? I mean, maybe if someone was spamming your screen with like 50 checks, maybe then I could see it as annoying. But I, for one, am proud of my gear (or most of it, anyway >_> ) so I want people to check. I think the only people that would really mind checking would be if they have crappy gear and they don't want people to know. That's kind of silly, however, because it's going to show up in your performance. It's not like you can really hide your gimpitude, at least not for long.

The way I understand it is it's somehow a cultural thing to japanese people. I've never understood it, but I accept it and if there's someone I definately know is JP, I will ask before checking them.

[Asir]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Personally, I love the filter to turn off checks. I sometimes run around in odd gear combinations while soloing, crafting or fishing and have found people like to repeatedly check those kind of outfits. Nothing says sexy like a taru wearing Bronze Subligar and the clamming swimsuit top.

I've only once recieved a comment from someone in regards to them checking me. They sent me a tell asking me why I didn't get mad at them for checking me 5 times in a row. They were subless and I guess someone had gotten mad at them previously for doing that. I just explained about how the filter keeps me from seeing spammed checks so I can keep my chat window clear for other things.

As for those people that hate being checked but refuse to put the filter on, I think those are just people are just being anal and needing something to complain about. Like everyone else, I check people for bazaars, out of curiousity about a piece of equipment they have, or if they just joined a party with me and I can't tell the difference if their armor is up to date or the low level gear that looks identical to it. I only ever check a person once unless they do an equip change while I'm in the middle of looking at a piece of armor. Twice is the most I ever check someone.

[Telera]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

Why is it the first thing everyone assumes when someone finds being spam checked annoying is that they're gimped in some way? That seems to be the XI community's main thing to harp on. Anyone who ever complains about anything must somehow be gimp or a n00b. Makes me miss Galaxies. Too bad SoE destroyed it. Everyone I ever encountered on there was very polite.

At the moment I'm equipped with full Elvaan RSE, AF Staff, Electrum rings, Silver Hairpin, White Cape, Friar's Rope, and my earrings, which yes, are gimp and yes, I intend to change very soon. Energy Earrings. I could only top it off if I had the gil to spare to buy an Ether ring, perhaps. I'd like a new hairpin. And I want to get an Astral Earring soon. I'm buying a Hemmel Stock this evening after work, because the MP boost far outweighs the addition to BP timer. I also plan to invest in some of the Elemental Staves, though I forget at the moment which ones I was after.

If that's gimp, okay. When someone points out to me that I could do better with such-and-such equip, I do strive to get ahold of it. Of the other armors on the AH, that was the best I saw for my level currently. When I get AF I'll switch out to that. I've got an Austere Hat all ready to go for level 50 to smooth over the gap b/w my AF armor pieces and my AF hat. Yes, I'm aware that I should work on obtaining some Carbuncle's Mitts. If there are any other suggestions I'd be happy to take them. I'm also trying to save a little here and there on my mule for the rest of Austere/Penance.

And I do remember saying clearly that being checked once or twice is fine. I expect it to be done upon entering a party, or just by the curious passing by. They have a right to look over their party fellow's gear. Judging people based on if they have 'best of the best' isn't fair, imo, but as long as someone is doing good, I usually never say a word about whether or not they wear +1 everything. It's like someone else pointed out. /check is fine. /judge is not.

If they want to check me once, that's fine. I don't even notice. Twice, okay. Like someone said, they sometimes have to stop to cast a spell before they're finished looking. Or lag and you hit the same person twice while checking people in Jeuno. I understand that completely. I've had to do it myself. Check 3+ is spam in my book. I'm sorry if that opinion is offensive to anyone. But I don't think it gives anyone the right to accuse me of being gimped. Gimp and n00b are the people who don't try. Not the people who just don't like being stared at repeatedly. If I've never had to do it three times or more to see it all, I fail to see why anyone else would.

My opinion is largely the same as GrandMom's back on page 2. Like she said, it's likely a woman thing, but I just don't like being repeatedly looked at. So, I suppose I'll just add it to the huge list of things I already have filtered. I also tend to ask before I check someone, unless they have a bazaar. /shrug

[Ziero]

Re: Checking others w/o asking? Rude or not?

In all my time playing I've been checked tons of times, but never asked to be checked once. Personally I don't mind being checked, it's not a big deal. Hell I run around towns in my Bonecraft glasses, Repub Warp medal, Bastok ring and a whole bunch of unique/bastokan stuff for looks that I would never use in a pt. And if someone does check me in a PT and I accidently gear swap on them I'll let them know to check again.

To me it's rude to get upset over being checked, it's rude swap gear while someone's checking you and it's completely uneccassary to do /em feels examined as you can just turn the filter on and never have to deal with it again.

People are self concious and thus many don't like being checked because they think that they're being judged. You're not, use your filter and deal with it. I find it a compliment when someone checks me, something about me made them curious. And my gear is always something I'm proud of because I worked hard for all of it.

So check away and enjoy what you see on me, cause I know I do.