Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

[Romyro]

Ok so, I’ve decided to do the H2h Magian weapon. If you look on the wiki page, you’ll notice there’s two ways to get to the ‘occasionally attack twice” wargfangs (think that’s what they’re called). I plotted out my route…doesn’t look hard, just a LOT of mobs to kill. Steering away from the ‘Kill 10 T3 VNM” path because that particular VNM doesn’t offer much for our LS…so were probably not going to fight it…let alone 10 times.

So I’m going with the other path. At first I though wiki had an error but after talking to the moogle and confirming all the trials…I realize wiki is correct. The path leads to wargfangs that have DMG: 0. yea..0 zip zilch.

I’m hoping there’s some weird hidden effect or someway to put some damage on there but I didn’t see anything. Anyone have an idea? Did I not research into it enough? I haven’t looked at any other weapons but their final forms similar?

[Ziero]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

Nope, the non-HNM trial OAT weapons have very low damage ratings. With H2H it's 0 dmg because H2H weapons only add to the base damage of your normal hits. It's also why the low damage OAT weapons are completely (almost) entirely soloable. When push comes to shove, their use and viability is completely up for debate.

[Romyro]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

I can fully understand the HNM versions being extremely better than the soloable. That only makes sense.

…but 0?? Hell DMG:+4 or 5 would be something. Not that pup can wear Faith Baghnahs but even those have DMG+9

I’m not great when it comes to melee formulas (which is why I come to you guys) but what would DMG:0 do to me? Am I going to be hitting often but only for 10 damage? I know my WS will not be nearly as high but would more WSsat lower damage even come close?

I would just hate to think a lvl 75 weapon with such a huge time sink would be completely useless...(though I guess it wouldn’t be the first).

[Nuriko]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

Nope, the non-HNM trial OAT weapons have very low damage ratings. With H2H it's 0 dmg because H2H weapons only add to the base damage of your normal hits. It's also why the low damage OAT weapons are completely (almost) entirely soloable. When push comes to shove, their use and viability is completely up for debate.

Speaking of debate, where is it? It really doesn't seem like people talk too much about the relative worth of the trials, there's a lot of "what" and "how" and not too much "which" and "why".

[Romyro]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

I basically stopped working on the H2H OAT (non vnm route) weapon. So I didn’t keep replying. The actual OAT weapons that I want are probably not going to happen because I’m not going to push my LS to kill a VNM that only benefits me (let alone 10 times). The T3s don’t always drop the item either. The other day we did the Rolan T3 Fairy and only got a Manticore Hide. That’s it…just a hide.

I’ve been doing a lot of the non-OAT weapons though. There’s really no reason to talk about ‘why’, I think the stats speak for themselves.

So far I’m working on 2 Axes for Bst that have the Pet:-5% damage taken. That with my shepard chain and -10% from AMK puts my jugs/pets at -22% damage taken. Plus the Pet:+def gear that I have.

I’m also going to start 2 H2H ones for pup as well. Looking to get Pet: MAB + and Pet: M.Acc

Depending on how long it takes…I might even look into getting 1 or 2 for smn since they offer -4 Perp for a specific avatar.

[Malacite]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

Both of the OAT weapons suck, period.

The extra attack only occurs on one fist and you can't double attack on top of it unlike Faith Baghnacks. So I'm sorry but Faith & Destroyers/Shenlongs are still the best non-relic H2H for the time being.

[Romyro]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

not sure if i mentioned it in the OP but...was looking for pup. Think either would be better then Hades or Wagh idojfasd?

pup cant use destoryers or faith...and isnt Shen from PW (yea, thats not happening either...)?

[Malacite]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

Hades +1 and Shenlongs are still king for the PUP itself, however there are some very nice sets of Cat Claws for the automaton.


Hand-to-Hand Trials - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more


Pet Atk & Ratk +12, Pet: MAB +5, Pet: -5% PDT etc.

[KingOfZeal]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

I was looking at getting the pet MAtk and pet Atk versions of H2H for PUP... but after looking at the trials, then finally figuring they probably AREN'T complete yet, it's a lot of work to get them without knowing what may be there later. Plus, any of the pet bonus ones have to be killed by the puppet itself, which is no small feat, especially if you're fighting something that requires a WHM puppet.

[Romyro]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

but after looking at the trials, then finally figuring they probably AREN'T complete yet

Why do you think they aren’t complete yet? If you talk to the moogle you can navigate your way through all the trials before even starting any of them. You can check out end results for any/all weapons if take the time to click through them.

All I can say is…I’m glad you can use level sync for these. It certainly saves a hell of a lot of time on some of these trials.

For the Bst axe (Pet: -5% damage taken), one of the trials is 100 bees during Water/Earth/Ice/Dark weather only (day does not count). Basically that leaves you with VERY few options for a 75. All I can think of is bees in Ifrits Cauldron during rain. Or…you can ask a buddy if you can sync to his lvl 25 (ish) character and hit Pash bees in the almost constant rain weather there. He can even go afk for an hour or 2.

Need 100 worms/amorph? Sure there everywhere at every level. But if you find a lvl 10 to sync with, go hit south gust and mow then down in 3-4 swings. You can get well over 100 w/in an hour.

The only PUP (Pet: MAB bonus) trial that looks difficult at the moment is the final trial. 150 ghosts during ice weather/day and puppet must deal final blow. That one might be tough.

[KingOfZeal]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

As per the Vanafest Website:

The quests will be divided into a number of categories, and progression in each will allow players to earn different rewards. The following quest branches and more are being considered:

- Weapon enhancement.
- Armor enhancement.

Trial of the Magians will be introduced to the game in multiple stages, with the initial set of weapon enhancement quests slated for addition in the March version update.

Bolded parts mine. In addition, the same release also states:

By repeating the quests, up to 80 different features can be added to a single weapon. With figures such as Damage and Delay added to the equation, there exist 500 possible attribute patterns for a single quest branch!

Right now, there are about 60-80 different quests/trials for each weapon, and I only count around 33 unique enhancements (including different Damage+ and Delay- amounts) on the Daggers, and that's spread over 7 differently-named weapons totaling 23 different end-results (including relic/mythic enhancements). Trial of the Magians is nowhere close to complete.

Edit:
As if I need to further my point, I give you this awesome timeline, also from the Vanafest Website:


Note the "Additions to Trial of the Magians" at each release.

[Romyro]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

It’s been a while since I looked at it…so my apologizes for not remember that.

When is says ‘in multiple stages’ and ‘the initial set’, couldn’t that just mean different slots? Such as in March it’s weapons, June could be feet, Sept hands…etc? I would guess if they are adding more to weapons, they would make branches go a little farther oppose to a whole new path. Why make you go through all that grind in the same type of…expansion or whatever.

In my opinion, I don’t see much changing in the weapon department. Some for these weapons seem pretty stellar already (at least for pet jobs). And some of the weapons/job you can equip 2 of them.

The ones I’ve looked at for BST/SMN/PUP all seems badass. You can certainly create something that suits your play style.

Glad this topic is somewhat sparking up though…getting excited again.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

My understanding is the future Magian updates allow the upgrading of existing gear.

[Romyro]

Re: Magian (H2h), Am I crazy?

I never thought I’d run out of inventory space with House/Locker/satchel/storage/pocket.

These current (and probably upcoming) trials are going to destroy my already bad inventory issue. I already walk around with 8-12 slots for just my weapon/sub equips.