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Alright... so here's my issue and my request for a proposed solution to it. I have been stuck on the airship fight in CoP for about 6 months now and have gone 0/10 on runs. I've tried a lot of the conventional methods for attemting it and a few of the not-so-conventional ones as well, nothin. I think my biggest issue is that the only job I have above lvl 60 is SMN... and SMN seems to be completely useless in the fight. My next highest job is 42 WHM... completely naked and used as a tele-whore. After that it's 37 NIN, BLM, COR, SCH and DNC. Before anyone offers suggestions, let me run through the setups I've tried.
Every run we went on we took 6 pumps and 5 yellow liquids. We treated every run like a dry run unless we were making good time, at which point we would make a team decision to use pumps and go for the win.
4 of the runs were with the following:
SMN/WHM (aoe buff/nuke)
RDM/WHM (debuff/heal)
NIN/WAR (tank the weapons)
BLU/NIN (headbutt spam)
PLD/WAR (mammett tank)
WHM/SMN (buff/heal)
Mammets were a joke... took no more than 5 minutes every time. PLD trained them and we picked them off one at a time. I locked them into DRG mode and went to town. WHM healed the main PT and RDM healed the PLD the whole time. No problems.
Omega is another story. Like I said, we treated every run as though it was a dry run... but with no less effort than a wet run. Every run failed at Ultima... and every run was basically the same. I'll use our most recent run as an example. NIN/war tanked him and we did well until around 70%. At that point things got a little messy. The BLU got one shotted in a fluke and was instructed not to raise up until we knew how thing were going. That was a good call since 30 seconds later I walked a little too close when activating Shiva's Double Slap and got pwnt. After that we dropped like flies at the entrance. Afterwe raised up and rested to full, the whm and I rebuffed the party and we decided that as long as we didn't die again on omega... we could pull out all the stops and take the win on this one. Boy were we wrong. After the Nin engaged and popped his pump... we all gave it everything we had, I used Astral Flow x3, the RDM Chainspelled Fire3 and the BLU did.... whatever the BLU 2 hour does. Either way we were doing well. Popped another pump at 50% and a 3rd one at 20%. We were all excited to get to Ultima with 20 minutes left on the clock when the pump wore off and Omega went... well... apeshit. He spammed AoE and heavy hitting attacks too fast for the BLU to stun and with the RDM and I out of MP it was hard to keep up with the healing. Essentially the WHM was alone. When Omega hit 5% the WHM decided to BENE to try and salvage this before anyone died. As a result of his heal-spaming and the BENE combo... he pulled too much hate and the tanks couldn't take it back. The WHM dropped and it was a chain reaction after that. We wiped at 1%. Five minutes later we didnt wait for full MP on the mages and ran in to finish him off. It only took one of my BPs and a few hits from each melee and he was down... but we only had 12 minutes to work on Ultima.
Ultima is easier than Omega for sure... but the stress that's put on every party member upon entering his battlefield is enough to make him comperable. Again I'll use the most recent run as an example. With 3 pumps left, and only the NIN and PLD with their 2 hours... we were hoping that 12 minutes was enough to pull the win out of our asses. We took off running, NIN tanking again with full buffs from the WHM and I and the RDM debuffed as best he could. We used a pump at 60% and another at 40%. With only one left we were nervous that he was going to spin out of control at some point between uses. With only 6 minutes left on the clock we got him to about 15% and used the last pump. At this point the PLD used Invincible and Provoke to pull hate off the NIN for a minute. It worked... but our damage was pittiful. At 5% the pump wore and we got slammed with AoE's. In a last ditch effort the WHM cast CureIV on the NIN and told him to Kamakazi while he had the chance. If it had gone off in time we would have had the win... unfortunately Ultima turned on the NIN and blasted him down to around 15HP just before he blew himself up... resulting in a whopping 36 dmg. Shortly afterwords, Invincible wore off and we bit the dust one at a time. With the NIN gone our DMG output was just not enough. The RDM and WHM threw off DIAII and BIOII and PoisonII just before we took the dive hoping that by some miracle we could kill him with DoT. We lost with Ultima at 2%.
5 of the other fights went similarly... and I won't go into as great of detail. That party was as follows:
SMN/WHM (me)
BLM/WHM (nuke)
RDM/WHM (debuff/heal)
PLD/WAR (mammet tank)
WAR/NIN (weapon tank)
BLU/NIN (dd/stun)
Simply put... not enough damage output. Mammets went fine. Omega rocked us every time. No pumps were ever used because we were never satisfied with the time on the clo0ck when we made it to Ultima.
The last setup was probably the most amusing. I found a strategy online that said that with the propper meds and organization... a party of x6 SMN could do the fight. I found 5 others and a gave it a whirl.
SMN/WHM (me) (designated healer) (Shiva's Favor MAtt +)
SMN/WHM (designated buffer) (earthen ward/aerial armor/protectra/shellra)
SMN/BLM (designated nuker) (anything and everything... go nuts)
SMN/BLM (designated DoT) (bio/poison)
SMN/NIN (distract the mammets)
SMN/NIN (designated pump user)
Looks pretty cool, huh? Well for the most part it was... it's just not effective. Here's the rundown:
Mammets. SMN/nin ran in with shadows, bat earrings, blind potion empress hairpin stoneskin protect shell and whatever else we could throw on him and stood there with all the mammets. The rest of us walked up Astral Burn style and used Ramuh's Thunderspark without engaging. After all 5 went off, we each took our own mammet and meleed it to death. Total time: 3min... including buff time.
Omega... our plan was to use our designated roles to our advantage. We were going to use Shiva and Double Slap until we got him to 70%. At that point the pumper would throw one on him and the NUKER, MAMMET expert and PUMPer would Astral Flow him all at once while the others held him fast with double slap. the first round of 3 took him to 50%. the second round got him to 30% and the 3rd round to 10%. After that I'm not sure what happened... but we didnt have enough dmg output and we ran out of MP... wiped at 5% and reraised/rested. Fully rested we went back in... pumped him and double slapped like no tomorrow... but after 3 rounds of double slap he was still standing.... and our MP wasnt. We wiped at 1% After that we decided we would never win. Killed him after resting and went into Ultima with low expectations. Same strat... but reversed roles. The other 3 SMN flowed at 70%. Without a good debuffer tho... 3 rounds of Astral Flow only took him to 40%. Tough luck. We timed out at 30%
Has anyone gone through this fight with a SMN? If so... what was your party role? What did you do to get the win? What the hell should I be doing?
Every run we went on we took 6 pumps and 5 yellow liquids. We treated every run like a dry run unless we were making good time, at which point we would make a team decision to use pumps and go for the win.
4 of the runs were with the following:
SMN/WHM (aoe buff/nuke)
RDM/WHM (debuff/heal)
NIN/WAR (tank the weapons)
BLU/NIN (headbutt spam)
PLD/WAR (mammett tank)
WHM/SMN (buff/heal)
Mammets were a joke... took no more than 5 minutes every time. PLD trained them and we picked them off one at a time. I locked them into DRG mode and went to town. WHM healed the main PT and RDM healed the PLD the whole time. No problems.
Omega is another story. Like I said, we treated every run as though it was a dry run... but with no less effort than a wet run. Every run failed at Ultima... and every run was basically the same. I'll use our most recent run as an example. NIN/war tanked him and we did well until around 70%. At that point things got a little messy. The BLU got one shotted in a fluke and was instructed not to raise up until we knew how thing were going. That was a good call since 30 seconds later I walked a little too close when activating Shiva's Double Slap and got pwnt. After that we dropped like flies at the entrance. Afterwe raised up and rested to full, the whm and I rebuffed the party and we decided that as long as we didn't die again on omega... we could pull out all the stops and take the win on this one. Boy were we wrong. After the Nin engaged and popped his pump... we all gave it everything we had, I used Astral Flow x3, the RDM Chainspelled Fire3 and the BLU did.... whatever the BLU 2 hour does. Either way we were doing well. Popped another pump at 50% and a 3rd one at 20%. We were all excited to get to Ultima with 20 minutes left on the clock when the pump wore off and Omega went... well... apeshit. He spammed AoE and heavy hitting attacks too fast for the BLU to stun and with the RDM and I out of MP it was hard to keep up with the healing. Essentially the WHM was alone. When Omega hit 5% the WHM decided to BENE to try and salvage this before anyone died. As a result of his heal-spaming and the BENE combo... he pulled too much hate and the tanks couldn't take it back. The WHM dropped and it was a chain reaction after that. We wiped at 1%. Five minutes later we didnt wait for full MP on the mages and ran in to finish him off. It only took one of my BPs and a few hits from each melee and he was down... but we only had 12 minutes to work on Ultima.
Ultima is easier than Omega for sure... but the stress that's put on every party member upon entering his battlefield is enough to make him comperable. Again I'll use the most recent run as an example. With 3 pumps left, and only the NIN and PLD with their 2 hours... we were hoping that 12 minutes was enough to pull the win out of our asses. We took off running, NIN tanking again with full buffs from the WHM and I and the RDM debuffed as best he could. We used a pump at 60% and another at 40%. With only one left we were nervous that he was going to spin out of control at some point between uses. With only 6 minutes left on the clock we got him to about 15% and used the last pump. At this point the PLD used Invincible and Provoke to pull hate off the NIN for a minute. It worked... but our damage was pittiful. At 5% the pump wore and we got slammed with AoE's. In a last ditch effort the WHM cast CureIV on the NIN and told him to Kamakazi while he had the chance. If it had gone off in time we would have had the win... unfortunately Ultima turned on the NIN and blasted him down to around 15HP just before he blew himself up... resulting in a whopping 36 dmg. Shortly afterwords, Invincible wore off and we bit the dust one at a time. With the NIN gone our DMG output was just not enough. The RDM and WHM threw off DIAII and BIOII and PoisonII just before we took the dive hoping that by some miracle we could kill him with DoT. We lost with Ultima at 2%.
5 of the other fights went similarly... and I won't go into as great of detail. That party was as follows:
SMN/WHM (me)
BLM/WHM (nuke)
RDM/WHM (debuff/heal)
PLD/WAR (mammet tank)
WAR/NIN (weapon tank)
BLU/NIN (dd/stun)
Simply put... not enough damage output. Mammets went fine. Omega rocked us every time. No pumps were ever used because we were never satisfied with the time on the clo0ck when we made it to Ultima.
The last setup was probably the most amusing. I found a strategy online that said that with the propper meds and organization... a party of x6 SMN could do the fight. I found 5 others and a gave it a whirl.
SMN/WHM (me) (designated healer) (Shiva's Favor MAtt +)
SMN/WHM (designated buffer) (earthen ward/aerial armor/protectra/shellra)
SMN/BLM (designated nuker) (anything and everything... go nuts)
SMN/BLM (designated DoT) (bio/poison)
SMN/NIN (distract the mammets)
SMN/NIN (designated pump user)
Looks pretty cool, huh? Well for the most part it was... it's just not effective. Here's the rundown:
Mammets. SMN/nin ran in with shadows, bat earrings, blind potion empress hairpin stoneskin protect shell and whatever else we could throw on him and stood there with all the mammets. The rest of us walked up Astral Burn style and used Ramuh's Thunderspark without engaging. After all 5 went off, we each took our own mammet and meleed it to death. Total time: 3min... including buff time.
Omega... our plan was to use our designated roles to our advantage. We were going to use Shiva and Double Slap until we got him to 70%. At that point the pumper would throw one on him and the NUKER, MAMMET expert and PUMPer would Astral Flow him all at once while the others held him fast with double slap. the first round of 3 took him to 50%. the second round got him to 30% and the 3rd round to 10%. After that I'm not sure what happened... but we didnt have enough dmg output and we ran out of MP... wiped at 5% and reraised/rested. Fully rested we went back in... pumped him and double slapped like no tomorrow... but after 3 rounds of double slap he was still standing.... and our MP wasnt. We wiped at 1% After that we decided we would never win. Killed him after resting and went into Ultima with low expectations. Same strat... but reversed roles. The other 3 SMN flowed at 70%. Without a good debuffer tho... 3 rounds of Astral Flow only took him to 40%. Tough luck. We timed out at 30%
Has anyone gone through this fight with a SMN? If so... what was your party role? What did you do to get the win? What the hell should I be doing?
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