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why is minimise (alt+tab) exit the game?!!!
guys when i press alt+tab to swith to another screen/application the game cexists, and playonline says that it existsed cos of error..does this mean i cant minimise this game!!! is there a workaround for this?
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Re: why is "minimise" alt+tab) exist the game!!!
That is how it it supposed to work. You're not allowed to alt-tab out. SE's excuse is something about equal playing field for PC/PS2/X360. There is a workaround, it is called windower. Technically, windower is against the FFXI TOS. I've never heard of anyone being banned for using it, though.
I'd post a link, but I think it's against the rules.Haggai
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Re: why is minimise (alt+tab) exit the game?!!!
oh? what the.. to even the playing field? thats funny!! whats there to worry about alter tabbing? i dont get it..
anyways...is this thing u told me about a 3rd aprty program?Comment
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Re: why is minimise (alt+tab) exit the game?!!!
From everything I have read here in recent weeks...yes. Alt-Tab was re-mapped while running Final Fantasy XI to keep people from switching tasks, firing up a third-party "cheat" program and then jumping back into the game.
Makes sense to me. That's how Memory Hacks worked in Diablo...and even Final Fantasy 7 (PC Version obviously.)Signature!Comment
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It is a 3rd party program.
Well, if SE decide they want their game to be that way, it's beyond us to question it.There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence
transform a yellow spot into the sun.
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Re: why is minimise (alt+tab) exit the game?!!!
This may be a symptom that FFXI is having trouble interfacing with your computer. Check your drivers and read up through the FAQs on PlayOnline.com. You shouldn't be allowed to Alt-Tab from the game as this is undefined behavior for the program. The following key sequences should be captured and dismissed by FFXI:
Alt-Tab
Ctrl-Esc (Windows Key)
------------ [EDIT: Ctrl+Alt+Del sequence is not blocked by FFXI]
When my game has an aneurism, it will sometimes allow me to use these key sequences when it loses control of the input HAL, but generally speaking the crash occurs before I can use these key sequences.
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Re: why is minimise (alt+tab) exit the game?!!!
ALT+TAB doesn't crash ffxi, it's losing window focus. The same thing will happen from popups and such.
This is not to even the playing field or prevent hacks, it's just something sony made SE do to have it on PS2 and PC, iirc. Of course, Sony no longer supports ffxi, but SE still hasn't windowed their product, although they show no real objection to the windower program, which I would link to you, but it's not allowed on this forum.
Any hacker that needs windowed mode isn't even as good as the worst script kiddie. Anyone who says that hacks need windowed mode, or that windowed mode encourages hacking, has never actually researched the subject at all.Comment
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It doesnt need to be windowable to be hackable but it does cut down on the hackers, the dumb ones i suppose? Better to cut down on some than on none. Amirite?signatures are for pussies mew mew mew, here's mine
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FFXI has always accepted these inputs on my PC, and subsequently crashed. It used to drive me crazy because I would commonly hit a wrong macro, then hit Esc to cancel my <st> without fully taking my thumb off the Ctrl button and *bam* dead party minus one red mage. Because of course I always did that during the most hectic fights.Originally posted by Sabaron View PostComment
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Wrong. Most scripts are run before you enter FFXI (This is when only POL is still up and you're about to press "play" in the FFXI options window of POL) In fact, I've never encountered a script that forced you to have alt+tab function. Even programs like FRAPs do not even require the game to be running before you actually start it.Originally posted by Balfree View Post
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Re: why is minimise (alt+tab) exit the game?!!!
While scripts can be run before opening up FFXI, many still require some sort of ALT+TAB feature in order to control/configure properly. Of course there's many ways around it and always will be. Nonetheless, SE made ALT+TAB a shutdown simply as an anti-cheat function. A typical user wouldn't be as likely to find properly working cheats and less people would spend time programming such cheats as it requires more work. It certainly isn't a 100% effective method and has a lot of annoying drawbacks, but SE's decision to do so was done and that's that.Originally posted by Aeni View Post
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Actually, this is false (Why are people still touting this as fact?) and has been proven by Cliff of Windower fame. If you don't believe me, either Feba has a link or you can go to the Windower's forum and either search for that thread or you can shoot an email to Cliff yourself as to why Alt+Tab was never introduced.Originally posted by x1ang View Post
In fact, if you look at a few posts above, someone named DeebsTundra posted this:
The problem with this was that in Diablo, the Jamella (sp?) cheat program was widely available and was used by everyone since it altered save game file directly and w/o consequence. There were several save data editors as well for FF7. And most PC games come with cheat or "easter eggs" in them already. Perfect example of this is Half Life (~ to open up the console and then start typing in your cheats)Makes sense to me. That's how Memory Hacks worked in Diablo...and even Final Fantasy 7 (PC Version obviously.)
So basically, many people have been wrong with their assumptions about why SE didn't add in Alt-Tab function. It is not to deter cheating, as you could also be doing it on the PS2 with Gameshark and other such 3rd party software/mem hacking devices already.Comment
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My system is probably a little different than most, it's a Win2k box. However, my brother's box is an WinXPH box and behaves in the same way. On neither computer are these three inputs valid. Both are up-to-date with all Microsoft patches, etc. Neither have any unusual programs running. Neither have any significant security active except for internal (windows) firewall (I hate most 3rd party security software--we run AVG Anti-virus and use Firefox, therefore minimizing our Malware without slowing down our machines). Mine is an archaic Intel P3, his is AMD64.Originally posted by Taskmage View Post
I'm pretty sure this behavior is implemented by the FFXI client program. If your machine behaves differently, it may be because some other program or security feature that you have activated is intercepting keyboard control first and passing it down the chain to FFXI thus allowing you to escape the program. As for popups and other programs, no pop-up programs can override FFXI on either of these boxes. This includes but is not limited to Yahoo! Messenger, Windows Update, and Firefox (download complete box).
I'm going to use my crystal ball and guess that you have some security package/option installed. These programs could interfere with other program's execution and allow you to stall or stop them when they don't want to cooperate by altering Window's message handling and acting as a "nanny" of sorts.Comment
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Nope. All that starts up with windows is an nvidia tray thingy, adobe gamma loader, and something related to microsoft office.Comment
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Hmmm... I have no clue to why the behavior would be different... I had always assumed that everyone's systems behaved like ours. Of course, I'm actually rather pleased that our systems behave in this manner as to have it behave like yours would grow rather tiresome. I have actually popped the Windows keys off my keyboard to prevent this behavior on other games...Comment
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