What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

[Jei]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

It would have minimal use in PT for mages.
Smn soloing means they can get closer to spirit taker while they rest :O a little bit unbalance there I think.
PLD is the best candidate for this. Drk already has absorb TP.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

. . . I have NO idea whether everybody is talking about hHP or hTP anymore!!!!!

. . . I don't like being thread hijacked :'( .

How about from now on, people address the hTP comment brought up a while back as "Clear Aura" to distinguish it from my hHP idea of "Clear Heart" (at least until somebody thinks they have a better name). Referring to an undefined concept (using "It" to reffer to the idea you're talking about) is so confusing @_@ .

A reduction to -hTP to a high level Trait of a potentially (small) +hTP seems visable for SAM, BLU, DRK, and PLD.

I may be getting ahead of myself, but as for hTP, hMP, and hHP, it would also be nice if one could spend Merit points for increasing them and maybe even for increasing the amount they go up by per tick. Between the topics of Traits and Merits, I'd like to see what you all think.

[Neomage]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

hHP, hMP, and hTP merits actually sound like an interesting idea... after all they have max MP and HP merits.
Lets say you can have 10 in that category... 5 per hStat. Most would use for 5 for hMP, and the other 5 could be used for hTP(elimitate TP loss when resting) or hHP(faster resting)

[Jei]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

I was talking about hTP :O

[Raydeus]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

I think this +hHP trait would be great for jobs that can't heal themselves, it is true you can sub a mage job but that's not the point.

HP recovery should be as fast (or even faster) than MP recovery while resting, specially on jobs that don't have any native healing abilities that could match Cure/Regen spells and songs.

The trait makes sense, and also does having a trait that would let you /heal and reduce TP loss from doing so.

[Icemage]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

I don't think the trait makes much sense. No one uses hHP gear as it is aside from early solo levels, and that happens only rarely. I don't see any case where people would want to go out of their way to receive an hHP trait in lieu of something more useful.


Icemage

[Raydeus]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

I don't think the trait makes much sense. No one uses hHP gear as it is aside from early solo levels, and that happens only rarely. I don't see any case where people would want to go out of their way to receive an hHP trait in lieu of something more useful.

If you don't solo much this trait will do nothing for you, but if I can save time and MP getting a few hundred extra HP in a full rest then I'll take it.

Really unless you solo you won't notice a thing so it wouldn't hurt to have it for those who do.

[Icemage]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

If you don't solo much this trait will do nothing for you, but if I can save time and MP getting a few hundred extra HP in a full rest then I'll take it.

Really unless you solo you won't notice a thing so it wouldn't hurt to have it for those who do.

Exactly. And the only jobs that do this on a regular basis are BST, with maybe BLU, RDM, DRG and NIN occasionally. DRG and RDM don't actually need it - neither does BLU, really. Which leaves just NIN and BST.


Icemage

[Yellow Mage]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

This isn't something so earth-shattering that everybody will be like "ZOMGZORZ, now I must change sub 4 teh hHPzOrZ1!!1!"

It'll be more like "Huh, my job is getting a fairly neat Trait, how nice. Granted, I won't use it that much in your typical party, but then again, I don't really use the 'Resist (insert status ailment here)' Trait that much in your typical party, either."

DRG, RDM, and BLU could all use it well, if they ever wanted to use it. And it'd be a spit in the face not to give it to MNK. And, as agreed, BST could use it potentially to its fullest.

Honestly, I see no harm in it.

[Raydeus]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

Exactly. And the only jobs that do this on a regular basis are BST, with maybe BLU, RDM, DRG and NIN occasionally. DRG and RDM don't actually need it - neither does BLU, really. Which leaves just NIN and BST.

Even if BST was the only job able to take advantage of it that doesn't change it's usefulness.

[Lmnop]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

Icemage's missing one important factor: inventory. When I solo as WAR (which I like to do, even if WAR sucks at it), I can barely bring evasion, r.acc, and attack. I usually only bring parts of my attack set since they barely affect my damage on EP. This concept can also be extended to when I'm duo'ing and trio'ing. Often in those situations, there's not enough healing to sustain and I have to rest a lot. It takes me like 10 minutes to recover my 1337 hp (yeah, that's really how much I have right now). So yeah, it'd be very nice to carry around a Golong staff and all sorts of +hHP gear, but I'm not gonna. A trait would save me inventory more than anything.

Virus makes it so you can't rest hp or mp, right? Then why do Warriors get Resist Virus when the game was designed in a manor to discourage melee from resting?

[Icemage]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

I'm not discounting the fact that hHP gear and/or foods use up inventory slots. I'm pointing out that there are many more glaring problems in the game that need to be addressed before mostly cosmetic changes like an hHP trait should be implemented. No job "needs" this trait. Sure, it's nice, but I'd much rather Square-Enix spent some time doing things like fixing Puppetmasters and giving more tangible boosts to Beastmasters than giving one/few jobs a job trait that typically won't see much use.


Icemage

[Yellow Mage]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

Well said. No arguement here.

[Macht]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

Icemage's missing one important factor: inventory. When I solo as WAR (which I like to do, even if WAR sucks at it), I can barely bring evasion, r.acc, and attack. I usually only bring parts of my attack set since they barely affect my damage on EP. This concept can also be extended to when I'm duo'ing and trio'ing. Often in those situations, there's not enough healing to sustain and I have to rest a lot. It takes me like 10 minutes to recover my 1337 hp (yeah, that's really how much I have right now). So yeah, it'd be very nice to carry around a Golong staff and all sorts of +hHP gear, but I'm not gonna. A trait would save me inventory more than anything.
Virus makes it so you can't rest hp or mp, right? Then why do Warriors get Resist Virus when the game was designed in a manor to discourage melee from resting?

But also consider how frequent those Resist Traits actually work. If you are not fighting mobs that are bombarding you with those spells they'll rarely if ever kick in. Out of my jobs and the resist trait the only one I've had used quite frequently was Resist Poison.

Then also you can't forget a WAR is supposed a very plyable job. They are able to use almost every weapon there is and on top of that is one of the jobs that was intentionally built to be usable as a defensive and offensive job near equally. The only thing limiting them is how they use their job abilities and equipment. So a hHP might make sense for them but again it's actual application will more frequently been seen in the solo or parties less then 6 people.

[Raydeus]

Re: What are the chances for a "Clear Heart" ability?

The uselessness of Resist traits had to do with how magic defense was calculated before it's "Adjustment" so right now those traits are pretty much the same as not having anything at all. Or at least that's what the update history said.

About inventory I don't think it would change things much, the same way we use cookies pies and gear to get more MP even with Clear Mind the same way we'd use items even with this trait.

Sure, it's nice, but I'd much rather Square-Enix spent some time doing things like fixing Puppetmasters and giving more tangible boosts to Beastmasters than giving one/few jobs a job trait that typically won't see much use.

Adding the trait would take waaaay less time than it would take to improve jobs (specially PUP, I still have no idea what they are supposed to do at all. o.O ).

So I want my trait!

I see your point though, and I seriously doubt SE is ever gonna implement this kinda trait anyway (but can't blame me for wishing ).