CHA/VIT based Race and Merit Points

[largedopantwhite]

Considering that there's two jobs, BST and BRD, that are based on CHA heavily, I have personally wondered why there isn't a race that gets a CHA bonus to make 'em more geared for that job. I threw in VIT as an example, really, since it seems most races have two traits that they excel in. A few good ideas (all from previous series)- Clavat, Selkie, and Yuke. Not sure how it'd be able to tie into the story (where'd this new race come from anyway? Popped out of nowhere), so I'm sure that's one reason why it hasn't been done yet.
Another idea with Merit Points- as it stands right now, your subjob can only functionally be half the level of your primary job. How's about the ability to spend merit points to raise that maximum, one level at a time? For example, lets say I have a character that's a BST/WHM, 75/37 respectively. I spend a merit point so now I'm able to use WHM at one level higher, i.e. 75/38. Now, of course, the subjob has to actually be leveled that high. Not sure if it'd cause game balance issues however.

[Omni]

Re: CHA/VIT based Race and Merit Points

raising it would cause major balance issues. how much can you raise it? 3 levels perhaps? then every mage job would be /rdm for convert. 4 levels? again, /rdm for refresh.

raising sub level cap is something that would throw this game way off balance.

CHR are racially high in elvaan, taru and hume. Lower in mithra and galka. Im not sure how much of a difference you want with CHR but bst and brd get enough chr equipment that it doesnt really matter imo.

[tdh]

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I'm gonna jump in the boat with Omni on this one. (And in no way is that because they're Avatar always makes me laugh.)

Changing the /Sub level would completely throw Vana'diel off it's Axis and we'd fly into the.... something. What even Vana'diel circles. People are already talking about changing Utsusem: Ni to Lv.38, and then if you could just raise your subjob, you'd have Ni again, and the vicious cycle starts anew.

As much as WHMs, BLMs, and maybe even SMNs would love to have Convert, it would change a huge party of the game. Or the idea of a BLM75/RDM41 being able to Refresh would jack things up as well. (Hell some people in the RDM community are already unhappy that COR gets a full 3MP/tick Refresh one Lv. before we do.) And I like the level cap at Lv.75, so let's not raise that either.

What I would like S-E to do is to completely explain CHR. Yeah, we know Charm is based on it, and BRD songs. But explain why PLD gear has so much CHR tacked on to it, yet they said that CHR point blank does not have any effect on Provoke. I'd also like for them to give us some more information on how to calculate Acc better.

[ikkleste]

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What I would like S-E to do is to completely explain CHR. Yeah, we know Charm is based on it, and BRD songs. But explain why PLD gear has so much CHR tacked on to it, yet they said that CHR point blank does not have any effect on Provoke. I'd also like for them to give us some more information on how to calculate Acc better.

Yeah that'd be nice... They have explicitly said it doesn't affect provoke but to my knowlege they havn't said it doesn't effect emnity in any way (or if they have I missed it, please feel free to hit me up with a link) (not that i'm saying in anyway it does, but if it did it'd explain CHR for pld and why some people have drawn chr=emnity conclusions, on the other hand CHR for pld could just be because PLD are supposed to be dashing and charming).

It seems like a lot of people are asking for more info on lots of hidden stats, I'm not sure how fruitful it'll be, but i guess it can't hurt to ask.

Personally i kinda like the idea of some stats being hidden... It kinda of helps stop total min/maxing. If you know weapon x + armour y gives the absolute best combo every one who can will have that setup. As it stands, people can have theories and setups based off those theories, but people can set up counter theories and try different setups.

At least some hints on CHR would be nice.

[Karinya]

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Maybe they expected more PLD to solo with /BST? We already have good defense and can heal ourselves, we just need a way to do better damage. Like an EP-DC pet.

...Ok, maybe not.

Anyway, I don't think they are likely add a new race now. 5 races, 5 mothercrystals, 5 arks, 5 ark angels, 5 terrestrial avatars and all the 5-fold symmetries in Tu'Lia and Al'Taieu. A new race would have to be someone from outside Vana'diel altogether, or something.

I suppose they could add the long-awaited male mithra and give them different stats from the female mithra, but that breaks the pattern of the other three races having the same stats for both sexes.

On top of that, any new race would need new armor models for lots of armors (or all, if their body shape is different enough), rearranging the RSE schedules, new RSE equipment - it would be a tremendous amount of work for little benefit.

I think if they ever get around to doing a far south expansion (supposedly the real mithra homeland is there) we might see male mithra NPCs, but we're unlikely to ever see new PC races.

[Maju]

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I guess the CHR on PLD armor is there because the light elemental sword weapon skills have CHR mods. That doesn't make it any less useless, though. The THF AF hat has +5 int. Now that's useless.

[tdh]

Re: CHA/VIT based Race and Merit Points

INT for THF is for picking locks from what I've been told. (At one point I thought INT was for Stealing.) But I've heard a number of THFs say that INT build will help with picking locks. Makes sense in a way. Need to be smarter to pick those trickier locks! ^^

[Taskmage]

Re: CHA/VIT based Race and Merit Points

Another race could be introduced as alchemically or magically created, in the way that lamia are like artificial beastmen. I think it'd be unnecessary and a lot more work than it's worth, as others have said though.

[Mhurron]

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I guess the CHR on PLD armor is there because the light elemental sword weapon skills have CHR mods. That doesn't make it any less useless, though. The THF AF hat has +5 int. Now that's useless.

So you can see that CHR might be used as a modifier for a WS but can't see that INT also could be and declare it completely useless.

[Climhazzard]

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Maybe they expected more PLD to solo with /BST? We already have good defense and can heal ourselves, we just need a way to do better damage. Like an EP-DC pet.

...Ok, maybe not.

PLD/BST is a very, very nice combo for soloing. DEF and VIT of PLD go a long way with this combo, especially since BST try to take EM-T. PLD also has high natural CHR considering it's not BST or BRD.

My guess for the +CHR on PLD gear is for Undead Killer. PLD also have other equipment that add other Killer Effects and CHR is a modifier for Killer Effects. I'm pretty sure it's all Killer Effects, not just BST Killer Effects. It's about as useful as the +5 INT on our BST AF Helm (that I think is for elemental WS, but no one really knows).