Consider Same-Sex Marriage

[Medalink]

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Same Sex marrige would change the game rating, as its consider at topic past the current rateing of teen, so this wont happen.

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[Megiddo]

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I'm seeing controversey happening that Squenix probably doesn't want to deal with. Though we'd hate to think it, people might just get up in arms and boycott the game for supporting same-sex marriage, and none of us want that, do we?

[Legal Fish]

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I believe in real life, anyone and everyone has the right to married. Gender does not play a role.

In FFXI, I would be against same-sex marriages. 100%. If you are a guy that plays mithra, sorry, you lose the right to marry your internet girlfriend(who is probably also a guy like you).

[Gentoo]

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Same Sex marrige would change the game rating, as its consider at topic past the current rateing of teen, so this wont happen.

I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to cure my ignorance. I don't understand how this would change the rating.

From the ESRB:

Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

At best (worst?), marriage in FFXI, same sex or not could be considered "suggestive themes," which keeps it in the Teen rating. There's far less suggestive sexual content in marriages than there is from the NPC Mithra in Kazham.

The Temple of Elemental Evil (publisher: Atari), featured gay marriage in the plot, yet still managed to keep it's Teen rating.

[Shopee]

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Ur an ass

Well I see being playful is not something you like. Remind me not to make silly remarks around you, since you appear to take them rather seriously.

Don't know if you were joking or serious here. If Joking that wasn't a good one.

Thanks for the critique.

It appears what I was doing has been misconstrued. I merely noticed an ambiguity in the literal interpretation of Nappy's statement (fully aware he was asking about in-game marriage) and decided to make an absurd response (mostly for my own enjoyment).

I was not a) Attempting sarcasm, b) Attempting to make fun of Nappy, c) Making any sort of point.

The Temple of Elemental Evil (publisher: Atari), featured gay marriage in the plot, yet still managed to keep it's Teen rating.

What about the module? (Just asking this out of curiosity)

[Murphie]

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Since the same sex marriages currently in game don't mean anything, why would allowing characters (characters, mind you, not players) of the same gender to marry suddenly tip the scales?

It's a fake wedding, people! Not real. You know, just for fun! Sure, I'm never going to do it, because I don't see the point, but other people would like to, and there just isn't any reason to keep one grouping of pixels from marrying another grouping of pixels in a completely fake, sham marriage in a video game. One that affords them no benefits whatsoever and just adds to their personal enjoyment of the game.

I agree that it's silly to fight for it so much, because in the end it doesn't mean anything. Conversely, I think it's just as silly to argue so hard against it when it doesn't mean anything.

Really, considering how rarely people actually manage to score one of these silly in-game weddings, you'd think people would just make their own and stop bellyaching. In real life, I get wanting to be married so that you can have the legal and financial protections that such status affords you. But in the game, there is no such legal or financial protection. It's just for fun! So the argument for it is really just as silly as the argument against it.

[Macht]

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Since the same sex marriages currently in game don't mean anything, why would allowing characters (characters, mind you, not players) of the same gender to marry suddenly tip the scales?

It's a fake wedding, people! Not real. You know, just for fun! Sure, I'm never going to do it, because I don't see the point, but other people would like to, and there just isn't any reason to keep one grouping of pixels from marrying another grouping of pixels in a completely fake, sham marriage in a video game. One that affords them no benefits whatsoever and just adds to their personal enjoyment of the game.

I agree that it's silly to fight for it so much, because in the end it doesn't mean anything. Conversely, I think it's just as silly to argue so hard against it when it doesn't mean anything.

Really, considering how rarely people actually manage to score one of these silly in-game weddings, you'd think people would just make their own and stop bellyaching. In real life, I get wanting to be married so that you can have the legal and financial protections that such status affords you. But in the game, there is no such legal or financial protection. It's just for fun! So the argument for it is really just as silly as the argument against it.

Well if you want one view I know that can come out of your arrgument is a completly blunt, harsh, and rude responce.

"I don't want your fun if your fun interferres with mine."

Funny, but as blunt, harsh, and rude it is I kind of agree with it. My fun and acceptance of the marriage system already set with it being opposite-sex only. Pushing for the same-sex is making a change I see as pointless and just not fun at all.

Besides that the last MMORPG I was in that was having same-sex marriages it became very disturbing and generaly player behavior was very deplorable. I just fear FFXI going the same route with that idea.

[sevenpointflaw]

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I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to cure my ignorance. I don't understand how this would change the rating.

From the ESRB:


At best (worst?), marriage in FFXI, same sex or not could be considered "suggestive themes," which keeps it in the Teen rating. There's far less suggestive sexual content in marriages than there is from the NPC Mithra in Kazham.

The Temple of Elemental Evil (publisher: Atari), featured gay marriage in the plot, yet still managed to keep it's Teen rating.

I'm not so certain the ESRB itself would care. In terms of game ratings, our system is fairly liberally interpreated usually.

What I would be more curious to know is how this would affect ratings in other locations. Canada, England, Germany, France, and other places. Of course, the really big question, is how would addition of something like this affect the rating in Japan - a culture that is very much more closed minded to honosexuality than in this part of the world. Willing to bet ultimately it would hurt SE on the business side of thigns, to say nothing of the moral issues the developers might have.

[Murphie]

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Well if you want one view I know that can come out of your arrgument is a completly blunt, harsh, and rude responce.

"I don't want your fun if your fun interferres with mine."

Funny, but as blunt, harsh, and rude it is I kind of agree with it. My fun and acceptance of the marriage system already set with it being opposite-sex only. Pushing for the same-sex is making a change I see as pointless and just not fun at all.

Besides that the last MMORPG I was in that was having same-sex marriages it became very disturbing and generaly player behavior was very deplorable. I just fear FFXI going the same route with that idea.

I don't even know who in the game is opposite-sex married. Why would I (or you for that matter) suddenly know all these people who were same sex married? I simply can't see any logical reason why FFXI would suddenly fall into a spiral of moral depravity because some folks were able to get fake married in the game.

Funny thing about your statement though. "I don't want your fun if your fun interferes with mine." It's a catch-22. You're saying that you don't want other people to enjoy themselves if their enjoyment comes at the expense of yours. But you're doing the very same thing to them. It's ridiculous. I think that limiting it to opposite gender only is equally pointless because it doesn't mean anything. I don't know why people are fighting to protect the sanctity of something that doesn't mean anything. It's so silly.

I'm willing to bet that most european countries wouldn't care if fake gay marriage was allowed in a game. I'm willing to bet that most folks in the US wouldn't care if fake gay marriage was allowed in a game (I'm not talking about the Phelps' clan here, I'm talking about your average citizen). I'm willing to bet that most people in Japan wouldn't care about fake gay marriage in a video game either. It's fake! It's in a video game! It's not real. People can get gay-married all the time by having one of them play a character of the opposite gender. It's just such a silly and pointless thing to be worried about on either side of the issue. It doesn't matter.

[Mhurron]

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Besides that the last MMORPG I was in that was having same-sex marriages it became very disturbing and generaly player behavior was very deplorable. I just fear FFXI going the same route with that idea.

Official gay marriage or not, the playerbase is going to hell in a handbasket.

However thats not why it will never happen.

[The_Hero]

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Since the same sex marriages currently in game don't mean anything, why would allowing characters (characters, mind you, not players) of the same gender to marry suddenly tip the scales?

It's a fake wedding, people! Not real. You know, just for fun! Sure, I'm never going to do it, because I don't see the point, but other people would like to, and there just isn't any reason to keep one grouping of pixels from marrying another grouping of pixels in a completely fake, sham marriage in a video game. One that affords them no benefits whatsoever and just adds to their personal enjoyment of the game.

I agree that it's silly to fight for it so much, because in the end it doesn't mean anything. Conversely, I think it's just as silly to argue so hard against it when it doesn't mean anything.

Really, considering how rarely people actually manage to score one of these silly in-game weddings, you'd think people would just make their own and stop bellyaching. In real life, I get wanting to be married so that you can have the legal and financial protections that such status affords you. But in the game, there is no such legal or financial protection. It's just for fun! So the argument for it is really just as silly as the argument against it.

This statement is totally bias and one viewed, reasons are same sex marriage is not considered is because Square does not want to have to deal with the legal, technical issues with its gov't or gov't around the "Globe", Square must be abiding to the law and conduct of many cultures, communities and societies, if the gov't or any other power coporation heard of such a thing we are doing in this game, I bet you there will be mass contriversy and argument which will then spark the media widely since this game is "Global". Square does not want this type of reputational degradation, same goes with Blizzard's WoW, and also to get married in-game u must be married IRL, marriage is not a silly issue its the same-sex ones that are since children play this game too. But I still support same-sex marriages, we shouldn't be fighting/debating for same-sex though because it wouldn't make alot of difference as Square is bound by the rights and responsibility, laws and community power of their country. Weddings of course are suppose to be fun, if you suggest that getting married in-game for RL married ppl then u my friend do not know the meaning of fun. At least by debating the issue we can bring the whole FFXI community into an understanding of everyone's individualism, beliefs and preferences.

[Murphie]

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This statement is totally bias and one viewed, reasons are same sex marriage is not considered is because Square does not want to have to deal with the legal, technical issues with its gov't or gov't around the "Globe", Square must be abiding to the law and conduct of many cultures, communities and societies, if the gov't or any other power coporation heard of such a thing we are doing in this game, I bet you there will be mass contriversy and argument which will then spark the media widely since this game is "Global". Square does not want this type of reputational degradation, same goes with Blizzard's WoW

There isn't any reason for a government agency to involve themselves with a fake marriage in a video game. It's roleplay! Not a legally binding contract. The fact that people are making it into such a big deal on either side of the issue is what I find to be so ridiculous.

and also to get married in-game u must be married IRL

This statement is false. Where did you get the idea that you had to be RL married in order to be fake married in the game?

marriage is not a silly issue its the same-sex ones that are since children play this game too. But I still support same-sex marriages, we shouldn't be fighting/debating for same-sex though because it wouldn't make alot of difference as Square is bound by the rights and responsibility, laws and community power of their country.

Which is beside the point, as the government wouldn't have to get involved as the weddings aren't real.

Weddings of course are suppose to be fun, if you suggest that getting married in-game for RL married ppl then u my friend do not know the meaning of fun. At least by debating the issue we can bring the whole FFXI community into an understanding of everyone's individualism, beliefs and preferences.

I could barely understand your post. Especially this last part. Why don't I understand fun?

Just as a heads up to anyone else who thinks that they know what I'm saying here. I think both sides of the issue are making more out of this than necessary. I am not for either side. I am for being rational.

[The_Hero]

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Your just too rational and alittle ignorant, this issue is pretty sensitive and cannot be explained as specifically or detailed. But at least we are understanding more of the different communities that are involved by debating.

[Murphie]

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Why do you continue to think that you know what side I'm on here? I'm not on either side. I think both sides are stupid. Depending on the argument presented on either side of the issue I may think that one side is dumber than the other, but the fact remains that I think that this is a silly non-issue being made into an actual issue for no reason whatsoever.

Fact #1: These in-game marriages are fake and provide no benefits to anyone.

Fact #2: Most players don't even know who is married and who isn't.

Fact #3: The restrictions on marrying are limited to level, rank, and character gender. They have nothing to do with the player behind the character. So a 40 year old man could be marrying a 14 year old girl in game, or two 15 year old girls could be getting married to each other. Or two 30 year old guys. Or a guy playing a female character could marry a girl playing a male character.

Fact #4: People have strong opinions on both sides of the issue.

Fact #5: I think both sides of the issue are making more of this than necessary.

Fact #6: Real life governments and societies have no real reason to be involved, because it's a fake marriage in a video game that not even that many people play globally. Sure, some folks here and there would probably have something to say about it, but the majority of the world doesn't care what we do with ourselves in Vana'diel.

The Hero: I know you keep editing your post to try and get your point across that you don't like me and my POV, but calling me ignorant and whatever else you were saying before (it's so hard to understand your posts) isn't helping the issue.

If all you are going to do is make ad hominem attacks and call people names, then maybe you shouldn't be debating.

[Raydeus]

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I liked that solution that suggested leveling goldsmithing and making signed rings for each other, you can have someone who enjoys roleplaying perform the ceremony.

As long as you create a ls for the chat so no one else outside the people invited can listen to what you are saying the ceremony should go well.


Simple, effective and way easier than actually scoring an official wedding.


It's roleplay, so unless people really needs it to be validated by SE (which has no benefits at all) anyone can do it.

I think both sides of the issue are making more of this than necessary.

Cheers to that.