The White Magic Spell "Holy"

[PTT]

In past Final Fantasy games, the White Magic Spell "Holy" has always been one of the most powerful white magic spells. Yet Final Fantasy XI's version of "Holy" has both a high MP cost, and causes very little damage in comparison to the "Banish" white magic spells, which cost less MP and do more damage. It seems the only advantage to using "Holy" is the very short casting time. It would seem that "Banish" is more powerful than "Holy."

Question: Would the development team consider adjusting the spell "Holy" to make it more useful for its high MP cost? I would like to see it become more similar to the black magic spell "Flare," and the other "Ancient Magic" Spells. I would like to see Holy become a powerful spell again.

[Balfree]

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I support this idea, Holy is a complete joke to say the least... WHM deserves better. If anything... to join in on a light SC, which happens very rarely anyway..

[framerate]

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I support this idea, Holy is a complete joke to say the least... WHM deserves better. If anything... to join in on a light SC, which happens very rarely anyway..

I've always thought the high MP cost was for the *very* low castint time the spell has, compared to the *long* time of Banish...

but I agree it needs to do more dmg.

[ikkleste]

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just shurrup and heal already.... leave the blowing stuff up to that bloke in a black robe, OK?

[Palin2222]

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A boost in damage for Holy would be desirable. As of now, I am lucky to get half the damage of Banish III. Not to mention that Banish II still out performs it. Holy Really should be the Light AM. Amd to Balance things out a bit... Give Blm Demi or something as the Dark AM

[Tira]

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I too support this one, WHM doesn't get much in the way of being able to get "stuck in" and Holy is one of those spells that is cool for the first cast and then it's a bit of a let down, especially considering Banish II and III are more potent.

Mentally, I have aways envisioned it to be Banish > Banish II > Banish III > Holy and for the MP cost of Holy I think it should be that way.

So please, please make Holy more powerful so that we have something that can hurt monsters.

[Icemage]

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The only use for Holy right now is to show off to friends and acquaintances that you timing is so good that you can double magic burst Banish III + Holy. Nearly 200MP for about 750 damage on undead. It serves no practical purpose otherwise.

Banish III is at least useful in King Ranperre Tomb parties for dropping the defense of Lemures into killable range. Holy doesn't even have that excuse.

How would I fix it? Personally I'd like to see Holy get add effect: Stun on undead enemies.


Icemage

[tdh]

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I've seen WHMs MB Light skillchain with Banishaga <whatever_tier> and land consistantly between 450 to 494dmg, and honestly that isn't bad at all. I think the biggest Holy I've ever seen was on a Too Weak mob for 250+ dmg. It really is a joke, and not even worth it. I recently told a WHM in my LS to only buy the spell for the simple fact of having ALL of their spells.

This would be another means for PLDs to get some more hate as well, but it just does crappy damage. Fast cast time or not, it's just not worth the waste of MP.

[Newbusarcanemus]

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I agree, in all the final fantasies i can think of, holy was the white mage bomb! It needs to be the stronger offensive white spell in my personal opinion, because that stays true to the series that made ffxi possible.

[Mog]

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I agree, in all the final fantasies i can think of, holy was the white mage bomb! It needs to be the stronger offensive white spell in my personal opinion, because that stays true to the series that made ffxi possible.

I agree. Holy is {Too weak} in FFXI.

[dirtyclown]

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I can burst with Holy for lol effect, but other than that it's pretty bad for anything other than exploding low level mobs. Is Holy based on Divine skill or elemental?

[Mog]

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divine.

[LilithAngel]

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It'd be nice to see Holy returned to its "zOMGwhitemagicrulez!!11!" status. As it is, it's a slap in the face to White Mages that their "signature spell" (other than Cure/Protect/Shell) is only about as good as their tier II Banish/Banishga (and it doesn't even lower Undead weapon resistances like that spell line does. WTF @ that?).

At the very least, whenever a Light Skillchain happens to come around, the White and Black Mages should be racing to see who ends the fight first: Holy or Thunder/Fire/Wind. ;D

[Tirrock]

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I don't really want to see it turn into a WHM ancient magic spell... It'd throw the balance off a bit if WHM could throw out a 900+ damage holy for 300MP and 18 seconds of casting. If only because almost every WHM would try to do it and it'd be like leveling at level 50 all over again. I'd never get a party on my WHM again because people would be afraid I'd whip out holy...

Yeah, that was a bit exaggerated, but I still don't know how comfortable I am with AM holy.

I'd definitely like to see it do more damage, but the question is: "How much is too much?"

Perhaps they should make it more like cure V and have no cap. Make it start off pretty crappy (lol 50 damage) and as you get more and more divine magic skill (a currently near-useless stat) it does more and more damage.

At least WHM would have a reason to level their divine other than for show then. Plus it'd have the side-effect of being a good PLD hate tool at high levels. Again though, they'd have to figure out how much damage was too much to prevent WHM and PLD from being broken.



...lol

[Nazo]

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Oh it should definitely do a lot more damage. Having pld and whm do decent damage on light skillchains might help restore the desirability of tank-healer-skill chain based parties a bit as well.