Do you have any plans to nerf the massive NIN subbing going on in merit TP burn parties? I see this behaviour as game mechanic abuse that makes tank characters completely useless.
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End game TP burns and ninja subs.
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Re: End game TP burns and ninja subs.
Originally posted by Legal FishPLD can TP burn just fine.
I'm sure anyone who isn't a WAR/NIN would feel bad for always being "that guy they had to take because there were no WAR/NINs seeking". This is especially bad for tank jobs (PLD) because no matter how much you try to build it towards DD, it's still a tank job and will not beat real DDs.
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This is the kind of party which is probably best set up within your own linkshell - I have done this, getting 10k an hour without really pushing the boat out, with pld/nin and god knows who else.
Originally posted by Aksannyi"As a RDM, it should irk you to the depths of your soul when a mob had the audacity to buff itself in front of you."
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Originally posted by MajuJust fine doesn't cut it in a world where people want the best they can find. Why take someone who can do it "just fine" when you can take WAR/NIN (or almost any other melee) and get more exp?
I'm sure anyone who isn't a WAR/NIN would feel bad for always being "that guy they had to take because there were no WAR/NINs seeking". This is especially bad for tank jobs (PLD) because no matter how much you try to build it towards DD, it's still a tank job and will not beat real DDs.Read my blog.ffxibrp.livejournal.comCurrently: Entry #32, August 31/07.
Entry 32: Death to Castro
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Originally posted by Legal FishRight, have you ever seen PLD/NIN merit before? I speak from experience a "GOOD" PLD with smart gear can keep up with WAR and MNK. PLD are notorious for being very poor played through all level ranges, so its easy to imagine only the ones that have skill can adapt at 75.
WAR is so good because it can keep the awesome WAR abilities and traits while subbing NIN. All other melees who are also required to sub NIN (PLD included) suffer a damage loss because they can't sub WAR.
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You don't seem to be listening.
While a very good or good equiped WAR and good equiped MNK will not usually be out damaged by a PLD/NIN, it is possible for them to be DD, it has been doned, it is used a lot, and this is not a debate. PLD/NIN can handle its own with a smart player behind the character. Look on end-game blogs to see parses and such information if you need some help getting started on being a PLD DD.Read my blog.ffxibrp.livejournal.comCurrently: Entry #32, August 31/07.
Entry 32: Death to Castro
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Originally posted by Legal FishYou don't seem to be listening.
While a very good or good equiped WAR and good equiped MNK will not usually be out damaged by a PLD/NIN, it is possible for them to be DD, it has been doned, it is used a lot, and this is not a debate. PLD/NIN can handle its own with a smart player behind the character. Look on end-game blogs to see parses and such information if you need some help getting started on being a PLD DD.
PLD = Tank
PLD =/= DD"Oh, you ca'n't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're Mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be", said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
Welcome to Alice in FFXI =P
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Re: End game TP burns and ninja subs.
Originally posted by Legal FishYou don't seem to be listening.Originally posted by MajuJust fine doesn't cut it in a world where people want the best they can find. Why take someone who can do it "just fine" when you can take WAR/NIN (or almost any other melee) and get more exp?
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Originally posted by Legal FishAs a level 56, why are you even commenting on PLD DD in Merit Burn parties? or Merit Burn parties? or Merit parties?
I know how my job works, I know whats to come, I know what I want.
Yes, if you're implying that experiance is greater than study then I would have to agree. But guess what? I don't want to have to switch to ninja sub. I'm here to tank, not be a DD. I'll pry have to do it, agreed, but I will bitch about it the entire time. Wanna know why? I've said it before. I'm a tank, not a DD.
And another thing, don't feed me the whole "I'm a higher level than you, therefore I know more." bull. I won't eat it."Oh, you ca'n't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're Mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be", said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
Welcome to Alice in FFXI =P
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Originally posted by GrizzlebeardI think Maju understands the point you're trying to get across but the fact remains a Paladin DD is always going to be last in line in PUGs. And, why should they be forced to DD when their raison d'etre is tanking? I can understand the whole burn culture but I view it as a weakness in the system that needs fixing and making Utsusemi: Ni level 38 or above is the quickest and simplest way to do it currently.
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Originally posted by MajuAs far as I know, raw stats have nothing to do with skill. What PLD has is A+ in swords and that's it. Inferior STR to at least WAR and probably MNK. No traits that help in damage dealing. No JAs that help in damage dealing. No spells that help in damage dealing. As far I can see, a PLD would have to be better equipped than another melee to beat them in damage output.
WAR is so good because it can keep the awesome WAR abilities and traits while subbing NIN. All other melees who are also required to sub NIN (PLD included) suffer a damage loss because they can't sub WAR.
And a PLD does have a higher STR then MNK, most gear used by WAR in TP-Burn (with the exception of Ridill, Earthen Abjuration and Hauberk + Thick) are also available to PLD so gear is not really an issue either.
Though PLD will be weaker then for example a WAR of course, but that is due to a WARs inheret abilities to DD no matter what he/she subs.Keep in mind, sig might be outdated I just update it a few times per week.
Signature with the usual levels and obtained stuff etc. . .814 Total levels and counting.. . . . .
BST75 - PLD74 - WAR69 - BRD60 - RNG50 - THF45 - MNK45 - SAM45 - DRK42 - DRG42 - BLM41 - WHM38 - NIN37 - RDM37 -BLU36 - COR34 - SMN24 - PUP20
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PLD, WAR, BST, BRD, RNG(4/5)
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